Witty Cartoons by Bob Englehart #15

Brilliant and funny editorial cartoonist, Bob Englehart discusses drawing political cartoons for over 35 years. Bob shares his experiences and insights on the ever-changing landscape of the industry, as well as the unique challenges he has faced throughout his career. We discuss the power of cartoons to invoke a range of emotions, from laughter to anger, and the potential of cartoons to spark political and social dialogue. Support Bob to keep him drawing cartoons at Cagle.com/Englehart

Listen in as we look at some of Bob's most popular and provocative cartoons, touching on topics such as police brutality, the Supreme Court, and climate change. We also discuss the challenges of getting published in both liberal and conservative newspapers and how humor can help bridge the gap between differing viewpoints. Plus, Bob shares his thoughts on the current state of the Republican Party and the impact his cartoons have had on their decline.

Finally, we talk about the importance of supporting cartoonists like Bob through crowdfunding campaigns, as the traditional newspaper industry continues to shrink. As a longtime fan of Bob's work, it's crucial that his voice remains a part of the public debate, and we hope that you'll consider supporting him at Cagle.com/englehart so that he can continue to create meaningful, funny and thought-provoking cartoons.

Bob Englehart was the editorial cartoonist for the Hartford Courant for 35 years when his job was eliminated by the hedge fund that bought the newspaper. Before that, Bob worked for Chicago Today, the Journal-Gazette in Ft. Wayne, IN and the Journal Herald in Dayton, OH. He studied at the American Academy of Art in Chicago on scholarship. His progressive editorial cartoons have been distributed all over the world by CagleCartoons.com for nearly 20 years.

Here are some of the cartoons Bob discusses in this episode:

Remember to support Bob to keep him drawing cartoons at Cagle.com/Englehart

Here's the transcript:

[00:00:00] Daryl Cagle: Hi, I'm Daryl Cagle and this is the CagleCast. We're all about political cartoons, and today we have a special one-on-one podcast with cartoonist Bob Engelhart, who was the editorial cartoonist for The Hartford Current for 35 years. Hi Bob. Nice to see you.

[00:00:18] Bob Englehart: Hello. Hello. Nice to see you.

[00:00:21] Daryl Cagle: After 35 years, Bob's job at The Hartford Current was eliminated by the hedge fund that bought the newspaper before the current Bob worked for Chicago.

[00:00:30] Daryl Cagle: Today, the Journal Gazette in Fort Wayne, Indiana and the Journal Herald in Dayton, Ohio. He studied at the American Academy of Art in Chicago on scholarship. His progressive editorial cartoons have been distributed all. Over the world by Cagle cartoons for nearly 20 years, and we're very proud to have you here, Bob.

[00:00:50] Daryl Cagle: We have started, a crowdfunding campaign for Bob that you can. Let's see, here, Cagle.com/Englehart and I hope you'll take a look. It's getting tougher and tougher for, cartoonists to, keep, drawing as they used to. And, so is the case with Bob and we'd like to, See if he could get some support from his fans, uh, rather than relying entirely on newspapers as his voice is important in the public debate.

[00:01:17] Daryl Cagle: And, he's a great, liberal cartoonist and he's, Funny and his cartoons are popular and, I would like to see him keep drawing and, I would appreciate the supportive fans.

[00:01:26] Bob Englehart: Back in the day, which wasn't that long ago, we cartoonists used to joke, oh, it's great to get paid for something we would do for nothing.

[00:01:35] Bob Englehart: Well, it's kinda getting to that point now. It, uh, Markets are dwindling up and it's, you're getting harder and harder to earn a living as an editorial cartoonist.

[00:01:44] Daryl Cagle: We really would like for you to be able to afford to do this, and that's why we're doing the crowdfunding campaign. And, you know, we appreciate you and, and we're having a special, Caglecast today, which is just all Bob, so people can get to know you a little better.

[00:01:59] Daryl Cagle: Here's your first one. You gotta, every man looking at the policeman, he's got his body cam, radio, handcuff, surgical gloves, flashlight, glock, pepper spray, taser, baton, and lawyer. All the tools you need to be a, a cop these days.

[00:02:13] Daryl Cagle: Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:14] Bob Englehart: Can you, I, I mean, I don't know. I've. I wasn't one of those kids who wanted to be a policeman when I grew up, but can you imagine being a policeman today? The, the pressure they're under, nobody appreciates them. It's just incredible. And so it's, it makes sense that she's gonna be a, a police shortage.

[00:02:30] Bob Englehart: I mean, who wants to be a cop?

[00:02:32] Daryl Cagle: Yeah. It's gotten pretty harsh. And here, uh, this cartoon was, what of your most, uh, popular cartoons ever? Newest Supreme Court, justice Jackson, breaking through history, when she joined the Supreme Court. That was very nice. Editors loved this one. Yeah,

[00:02:49] Bob Englehart: I'm, I'm glad they used it.

[00:02:50] Bob Englehart: It's really important and I wish they would have more. I wish there would be more women. And more black people on the Supreme Court. And frankly, I wish there'd be more teachers. I like teachers as judges.

[00:03:03] Daryl Cagle: they tend to choose only judges, don't they? Yeah. There's some history of the big non judges, but you gotta go back a long time to find that.

[00:03:11] Bob Englehart: Yeah. You have to go back way far,

[00:03:13] Daryl Cagle: so here you have a couple in the flood and the rain is coming down. Yeah. Yeah. I'm getting tired. The lady says it's the weekly thousand year rain event.

[00:03:23] Bob Englehart: Yeah, I'm, I'm getting tired of these. Every time there's a big flood, it's every, oh, it's a thousand year event, or it's a hundred year event. They're happening every week.

[00:03:31] Bob Englehart: So come on. This is, this is getting to be normal stuff, but the conservatives will not believe this under any circumstances. I look at the conservative cartoons. And I say they can't possibly believe the crap that, that they're basing their cartoons on, but they probably say the same thing about me. So

[00:03:51] Daryl Cagle: Big

[00:03:52] Bob Englehart: divide.

[00:03:52] Daryl Cagle: You know, the vast majority of papers are in rural and suburban areas, the, the red areas. And, they have, conservative readership and, uh, an older conservative readership Now as newspaper readers are getting older, well that,

[00:04:07] Bob Englehart: you know, I, I've always found it, I've always found that to be interesting about how people get more conservative as they get older.

[00:04:13] Bob Englehart: I've gone the other, other direction. I've gotten more liberal as I've gotten older. I was more conservative at 21 than I am today. And in 21 I had, uh, I was married, I had uh, I had a kid, I had a house, I had a car. I had a lot of responsibilities.

[00:04:28] Daryl Cagle: Well, I should say that tunes, uh, uh, get through to the, uh, the conservative papers board just because you're funny and, your style doesn't look, harsh.

[00:04:39] Daryl Cagle: You've got a friendly style. And, that's good. You know, a part of our having a range of, liberal to conservative cartoonists is that, uh, that allows us to sneak some liberal cartoons or a little bit of left-leaning cartoons into the conservative papers once in a while.

[00:04:54] Daryl Cagle: Uh, which we couldn't do if we were just, feeding them what they already want.

[00:04:59] Bob Englehart: Well, I, I know what I need to do to be published, but I also know what I need to do to get something off my chest. So I'm trying to balance the two, say what I weigh and still say something that can get published in the newspaper.

[00:05:14] Bob Englehart: I like being published in the newspaper.

[00:05:16] Daryl Cagle: We're in a lot of newspapers in Florida. Uh, and you are, uh, oh man. You're, you're pretty clear on your feelings about Florida here. You've got the Florida graduation class of 23 and, uh, the old, uh, dean is shaking the hands of the young graduates and he says, congratulations, we don't give out diplomas anymore.

[00:05:38] Daryl Cagle: A Florida education isn't worth the paper it's written on.

[00:05:43] Bob Englehart: Yeah. I have a lot of friends.

[00:05:44] Daryl Cagle: You have comment on this?

[00:05:46] Bob Englehart: I have fr Well, no, but I lot of friends. I have a lot of friends and family in Florida and I haven't been in contact with them lately, so I don't know. I'm starting to think that maybe Florida's gonna be under three feet of water soon.

[00:06:01] Bob Englehart: So maybe

[00:06:02] Daryl Cagle: Florida seems to be the leading state for crazy right now.

[00:06:06] Bob Englehart: It is. And they say Arizona is Florida West.

[00:06:10] Daryl Cagle: there's plenty of crazy around the country that it's crazy in Montana, kicking out the transgender, legislator and, crazy in Tennessee kicking out the two legislators that didn't like guns. And,

[00:06:23] Daryl Cagle: you know, a lot of our podcast listeners are listening to audio only. We're still in an audio only podcast world, and so I describe it, read the cartoons for the people that can't see them. Okay? If you're getting a, audio only podcast and you'd like to see the cartoons, Go to youtube.com/keel cast, or go to Apple Podcast and search for Keel Cast.

[00:06:47] Daryl Cagle: Go to Spotify, go to Cagle.com and look at the front page of Cagle.com or go to keel cast.com. All of those places you can get the video and look at the cartoons as we go through them. So, Bob, you've got a Florida postcard. Welcome to Florida. The sun makes you stupid. Yeah,

[00:07:04] Bob Englehart: my, this is inspired by my wife.

[00:07:07] Bob Englehart: Who made that comment. We were watching the news about Florida. I forget the issue now. And she just says, sunshine makes you stupid. I thought, well, that'd make a great cartoon. And then I thought of the, uh, Florida postcard. You know, welcome to Florida. The sun makes you stupid.

[00:07:24] Daryl Cagle: That's fun. I'm kind of guessing your Florida cartoons don't get printed much in Florida, but maybe they do.

[00:07:29] Bob Englehart: Probably not. Probably not. But see that's another case. Probably not this one. That's another case of, of, I have to say something and I don't care if it gets published or not.

[00:07:41] Daryl Cagle: Oh, this is your most popular cartoon you ever drew in your 20 years with us. Wow. Uh, you've got the guy proposing to the lady and he's on his knee and where he should be holding a ring. He's holding a gas can and he says, will you marry me? Yeah. People love this cartoon. Gas is valuable.

[00:08:02] Bob Englehart: Well, it was very expensive when I drew this cartoon.

[00:08:04] Bob Englehart: It's come down in price a little bit, but, uh, Actually quite a bit from when I drew this cartoon. Uh, yeah. Well, I, you know what, I, I had this idea and I thought, I know this is gonna be published because it's, it's not offensive. It doesn't take sides, you know? It, it avoids all the things that editorial cartoons do except entertain.

[00:08:28] Bob Englehart: It's an entertaining cartoon and it makes people laugh. And I do, I love to make people laugh. One of my favorite things about drawing. Editorial cartoons is making people laugh, but also in drawing editorial cartoons, I make people angry. I make them cry. there's a number of emotions that I can scare up drawing, uh, the certain kind of editorial cartoon.

[00:08:50] Bob Englehart: That's what I love about editorial cartoons as opposed to say gag cartoons where you're just supposed to make people laugh. I want to get all kinds of emotions going.

[00:09:02] Bob Englehart: Well, I'm a big Bob Englehart fan. That's fun. Thank you. Here is, here are three Republican women digging a grave for the Republican Party.

[00:09:14] Bob Englehart: One of them says it's a good start. Yeah. The Republican party is dropping off in the polls with women.

[00:09:19] Bob Englehart: Yeah. Well, and I think the Republican party's gonna drop off the globe in just a matter of months. Uh, I, I saw, I've been predicting that. End of the Republicans 2015. And it's logical because every political party has a beginning, a middle, and an end.

[00:09:38] Bob Englehart: And I think the Republican Party is at the end. Uh, and it's,

[00:09:44] Daryl Cagle: well, that, that hasn't really happened. You know, they're very close to 50% in both houses. Uh, they come close to winning the presidency every year. Um, right. I don't see any real world evidence that they're fading away. They seem to be, uh,

[00:09:59] Bob Englehart: it takes, takes, robust takes time.

[00:10:02] Bob Englehart: It takes time. It's gonna have be a slow process. But, uh, sooner or later, somebody's going to start another conservative party for the rational Republicans, the feu, the, the left, and just have another go at it.

[00:10:17] Daryl Cagle: You're speaking entirely from your innate sense of optimism.

[00:10:20] Bob Englehart: I'm speaking tired from my, uh, years of experience studying human nature as an editorial cartoon.

[00:10:28] Daryl Cagle: All right. Here you've got Jesus, and he's giving a PowerPoint presentation where he shows, he gets us on the screen and Jesus says, I don't think they get me.

[00:10:38] Bob Englehart: This is, uh, devoted to the evangelicals, uh, the zealots, the Christian zealots who. I don't know what they're up. Well, I know what they're up to.

[00:10:48] Bob Englehart: They're trying to take over the country. They wanna run things their way. Uh, I don't have a problem with anybody as long as they're not here to live by their religious rules. I have my own rules to live by and I like them.

[00:11:01] Daryl Cagle: You know, cartoons with Jesus don't get reprinted much.

[00:11:05] Bob Englehart: Probably not. And neither do cartoons with Trump.

[00:11:07] Bob Englehart: I understand.

[00:11:09] Daryl Cagle: Yeah. I'm okay with the people not wanting the cartoons about Jesus, but not wanting the cartoons about Trump is really very frustrating. Yeah,

[00:11:17] Bob Englehart: it is. It is. Because I have a great Trump car cartoon. I, I love my Trump caricature. Doesn't look anything like him, but it, it says how I feel about him.

[00:11:28] Daryl Cagle: Well, I appreciate that even though, you knew your Trump cartoons weren't gonna get printed, you kept drawing great Trump cartoons anyway. And,

[00:11:36] Bob Englehart: uh, well there's another angle that I'm, I'm shooting for here. I know that people are gonna go to, to the keel page and they're gonna look at all the cartoons. I wanna entertain those people.

[00:11:48] Bob Englehart: I wanna, and, and I don't care, well, I don't wanna say, I don't care whether they run them in their newspaper or not, is. Is their decision, but I wanna say what I wanna say and put it on the Kaggle cartoons because Daryl, I gotta tell you, thank you for not being editor.

[00:12:06] Daryl Cagle: I do kill cartoons. I, I do edit cartoons, but, uh, no. You, you, I don't think I've ever killed one of yours. No,

[00:12:13] Bob Englehart: no. But I, I think you've, you've sent one or two or three back for spelling errors. You've done

[00:12:20] Daryl Cagle: that? I have to, and I am the

[00:12:22] Bob Englehart: world's worst speller, so.

[00:12:25] Daryl Cagle: Uh, here's Justice Thomas, and he's wearing no clothes.

[00:12:29] Daryl Cagle: I mean his, his robe that says Ethics is hanging on the wall. And Thomas has no ethics. It says, it, it is true. You know, we just did a, a Clarence Thomas podcast, uh, all Clarence Thomas cartoons, and it's an excellent podcast. That was our previous podcast. Everyone should go back and look at the Clarence Thomas podcast.

[00:12:50] Daryl Cagle: Here you've got Kanye. It says Breaking news. Kanye West has changed his name again from ye to Yuck. I was just,

[00:13:00] Bob Englehart: I was looking for a reason to draw him. I think he's fun to draw.

[00:13:03] Daryl Cagle: Yeah, he is. He is all together. Uh, kind of fun in in a crazy, insane way. And there's, there's

[00:13:11] Bob Englehart: a, there's a little known fact about Conway West.

[00:13:14] Bob Englehart: He went to my art school in Chicago, the same art school that I attended, American Academy of Art in Chicago. He was a student there for I think a year and a half. and he, he decided to drop out and, going to music. And I met his, one of his teachers recently, a couple years ago, I met one of his teachers.

[00:13:31] Bob Englehart: He said, he, he said, no staying art. There's no, there's no future in music.

[00:13:36] Daryl Cagle: Kanye could be, uh disturbing. But, he is a, a real life cartoon character. All right. Here he's got the lifeguard shortage, and an elderly person applying to be a lifeguard who might appear not to be, qualified for health reasons. And the lifeguard says, do you know how to swim?

[00:13:54] Daryl Cagle: So, what's the, what's up with this lifeguard shortage? Why, why the elderly angle?

[00:13:59] Bob Englehart: Well, I wanted to put someone in there who was probably the least qualified to be a lifeguard that I could imagine, which is a person about my age.

[00:14:08] Daryl Cagle: Okay. Here you've got the doctor talking to the patient hands of a piece of paper and says, you have monkeypox. Take two bananas and call me in the morning.

[00:14:17] Bob Englehart: Yeah. This is one of those cartoons that I thought someone must have drawn this. I mean, I. I, I never saw it and it came to me in a flash, but I thought certainly someone drew this cartoon, but they haven't.

[00:14:30] Bob Englehart: It was just me.

[00:14:31] Daryl Cagle: Here you've got Marjorie, Taylor Green, and she's lying on the psychiatrist couch saying, and here's another thing, and the psychiatrist is jumping out the window, I suppose, committing suicide by chap out the window.

[00:14:46] Bob Englehart: He certainly wants to get away in a, in a hurry.

[00:14:49] Daryl Cagle: I, I guess that's bitter.

[00:14:51] Daryl Cagle: I, I shouldn't say the suicide thing. yes. How fast could you get away from her?

[00:14:56] Bob Englehart: I like using her, uh, initials too. Empty as in empty. E m p T Y, empty green. She's empty headed because she is, there's something wrong with the

[00:15:05] Daryl Cagle: brain is empty. Brain seems to be filled with lots of hate, and, uh oh. She's a mess.

[00:15:11] Daryl Cagle: She's a mess. Here you've got, uh, two kids walking up the Barbara Walter's trail. Two young girls and one says, I don't know who she was, but I think her, yeah, yeah. Nice Obi cartoon. You know, the obituary cartoons are the most popular cartoons any cartoonist draw and we get more love mail from fans about obituary cartoons than anything else.

[00:15:33] Daryl Cagle: Okay.

[00:15:34] Bob Englehart: I used to do more, um, I don't know why I drifted away from it. I'm hoping to drift back. I don't like to push too much, but, uh, I mean, you know, I gotta,

[00:15:44] Daryl Cagle: editors, love the, the obituary cartoons too. And, , what makes you part of the historical record? You have your comment on history.

[00:15:52] Daryl Cagle: I, I think they're all around Good to do. Yeah,

[00:15:55] Bob Englehart: I'll be trying In the future, I'm gonna try to do more obituary cartoons.

[00:16:00] Daryl Cagle: Okay. So here you've got a, a mathematics dite cartoon. You've got, uh, Joseph Stalin plus Napoleon Plus John Wayne Gacy equals Putin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess it does. And here you've got Joe Biden.

[00:16:19] Daryl Cagle: He's driving the car, baby Putin in the back, playing with his, uh, missile. Biden says, don't make me come back

[00:16:27] Bob Englehart: there. Yeah. This, I, I drew this cartoon before the invasion because he'd been talking about an invasion for months. And, uh, that's when I drew this car to him.

[00:16:37] Daryl Cagle: Here you've got a Thanksgiving cartoon with the, native Americans about to serve Thanksgiving dinner to the pilgrims.

[00:16:45] Daryl Cagle: And, uh, one says to the other, if you feed dub, never leave,

[00:16:51] Bob Englehart: right? Which is what you say about a stray cat,

[00:16:54] Daryl Cagle: I guess it is. I'm sure this one was very popular and, holiday cartoons, boy, newspapers heat up the holiday cartoons.

[00:17:01] Bob Englehart: Oh yeah. But you gotta do it just right, because conservative papers might not run that.

[00:17:05] Daryl Cagle: they might not. Okay. So you've got the FBI fishing the top secret documents out of Donald Trump's golden toilet.

[00:17:12] Daryl Cagle: Yeah. And Donald Trump says, they even broke into my safe. That's safe. That was, that was fun. Okay, now this one, I thought this one was just hilarious. You've got Fire Dr tucker Carlson sitting on the concrete street outside of Fox News, and he's holding a sign that says, will live for food. This one made me laugh.

[00:17:34] Bob Englehart: Well, good. It's like, you know, Johnny Carson always used to talk about, uh, he liked to have jokes that made the band laugh. Because the band's there every night. They heard it all. You know, you've, you've seen all these cartoons. You've seen many different cartoons. If I can make you laugh, that's cool.

[00:17:51] Daryl Cagle: Here's another Tucker Carlson cartoon. He's holding up his, uh, bottles of hair goo, one labeled hate, one labeled racism says buy one get one free. Yeah. That is hair goo, right? Yeah.

[00:18:04] Daryl Cagle: I dunno, I suppose he could have all kinds of tonics. It,

[00:18:07] Bob Englehart: it could be many things in his head

[00:18:09] Daryl Cagle: all, and here you've got two businessmen walking down the street and one says, and the other.

[00:18:14] Daryl Cagle: I had my balls tanned and I still hate Trump. Um, which is something that Tucker might say.

[00:18:20] Bob Englehart: I, I didn't, I don't wa I never watched Tucker. I, I don't watch any of those opinionated evening foxes. I don't watch any of them. But, uh, somebody told me about this and so I went on the internet and checked it out.

[00:18:33] Bob Englehart: Sure enough, he's advocating 10 your balls if you have them, and I had to drill cartoon on it. I mean, that's not gonna make me stop loathing Trump.

[00:18:46] Daryl Cagle: reportedly, Tucker hated Trump as well. I should add, we did a whole podcast about Tucker Carlson and, it's a great podcast. go to cake cast.com or, or go to, uh, youtube.com/at cake cast, and you can look back on the old podcast and we've got a couple other podcasts that you are participating in. Bob. Great podcast. Go to Cagle cast.com. All right. Here you got the couple with their smartwatch wife says, new watch man says, yeah, it tracks my food digestion look, it's heading for the Lodge intestine. I may have to take a break.

[00:19:24] Daryl Cagle: This is another, this is,

[00:19:25] Bob Englehart: this is another cartoon inspired by my wife.

[00:19:29] Daryl Cagle: I get enough. You know, I noticed as, as we get older, old, older people talk a whole lot more about their digestion in their intestines and things moving through. Yeah. I get, uh, so, uh, good newspaper, cartoon.

[00:19:42] Bob Englehart: I get good gags from my wife and, uh, I, I use as many as I can because I don't wanna work.

[00:19:48] Daryl Cagle: But we do want your fans to support you, Bob. So, uh, please go to kale.com/englehart. That's Bob's fundraising page. And, Bob's important and we want Bob to keep drawing cartoons and, when they're funny and they're liberal and they slip past the conservative editors, I think that's a very valuable cartoon.

[00:20:08] Daryl Cagle: Uh, this one went slip. I'm

[00:20:10] Bob Englehart: sorry, I got a one time, I got a email from, uh, uh, editor who said, uh, you was just talking to one of the cartoons that I did on, on your site, and he says, I love your cartoon, but I can't possibly run it. I said, I know. Enjoy.

[00:20:25] Daryl Cagle: Okay, here you've got, we, the targets, uh, in the style of the Constitution and, and, uh, it's bullet ridden and it says, remember in November, this is one that won't make it into the conservative papers.

[00:20:41] Bob Englehart: No. And in November, they still put enough Republicans in office that. There'll be no big changes in the gun laws.

[00:20:48] Daryl Cagle: Here you've got Mitch McConnell and he's looking at us saying, when you're a Republican senator, it's easy to control women. Just grab 'em by the womb. Yeah. That's, a nice harsh abortion cartoon. Condemning Mitch McConnell, but another one that I'm guessing isn't gonna get reprinted much.

[00:21:09] Bob Englehart: Probably not. Well, I had to say it and I felt good after I said it.

[00:21:13] Daryl Cagle: well, very good.

[00:21:14] Daryl Cagle: So, Bob, here, you've got, uh, president Biden in a fox hole in Ukraine. The Ukrainian soldier says, president Biden. Tell me about this one. Well,

[00:21:22] Bob Englehart: he just popped, uh, up in Ukraine. He, he flew over.

[00:21:26] Daryl Cagle: This was on about his visit to Ukraine.

[00:21:29] Bob Englehart: Yeah, he just, he, he unannounced. I, I was really talk about balls.

[00:21:34] Bob Englehart: That was a ballsy thing to do.

[00:21:36] Daryl Cagle: But he, it was, he rode the train for a long time. It was, uh, yeah. Yeah. Quite a trip. It was crazy.

[00:21:41] Bob Englehart: Crazy. But it was, it was important. I'm glad he did it.

[00:21:44] Daryl Cagle: Well, very good. Uh, here you got Dr. Oz cooking on the rotisserie and a couple watching him saying, is that a crute?

[00:21:51] Daryl Cagle: Yeah. Pennsylvania cartoon.

[00:21:53] Bob Englehart: Another excuse to draw

[00:21:54] Daryl Cagle: Oz. well, it's nice to see him disappear though. So here you've got the guy, he's selling NFTs under his, coat. Like you would, uh, be pitching, your counterfeit watches. And he says electrons. Non non-functional. Yeah. NFTs, nons. I had a lot of hope that, uh, NFTs might work and I put a lot of time into trying to get 'em to work, and I just came to the conclusion that it was just a waste of time.

[00:22:21] Daryl Cagle: And it, it's

[00:22:21] Bob Englehart: over now. I mean, it's, it's, it's done. I don't think they're selling '

[00:22:25] Daryl Cagle: em anymore. Well, they still have the forums and people working on it. And, uh,

[00:22:31] Bob Englehart: well, Trump's making NFTs in the form of, trading cards.

[00:22:35] Daryl Cagle: Seems to be a fundraiser for him.

[00:22:37] Bob Englehart: Yeah, everything's a fundraiser for him. He needs the funds.

[00:22:41] Bob Englehart: Those

[00:22:41] Daryl Cagle: lawyers ain't cheap. Well, hey, we're doing a fundraiser for you, Bob, and everybody should gole.com/englehart.

[00:22:48] Bob Englehart: Hey, but I'm not in legal trouble.

[00:22:50] Daryl Cagle: Okay, here you've got, an acorn sign. The, the label says this is not an oak tree. You got an egg. This is not a chicken. Got a sawhorse. This is not a house, and you've got a.

[00:23:02] Daryl Cagle: A spot that says this is not a person, and this would be an abortion cartoon. I think

[00:23:09] Bob Englehart: that's it. That's it. The anti-abortion people really wanna save the not a person. They don't care about the kids who go to school face gunfire. They're, they're not interested in that. Because it's really, it's really, abortion is really about controlling women.

[00:23:25] Bob Englehart: It's about controlling women and their bodies and it's a bunch of, probably in some cases, well-meaning people, but they're not helping.

[00:23:33] Daryl Cagle: Here you've got George Santos standing behind a sign that looks like he's wearing a suit saying Member of the House of Representatives.

[00:23:40] Bob Englehart: Well, this is George doing his best, pretending he's something he's not, and he's really good at that.

[00:23:46] Daryl Cagle: He's, uh, Uh, So here you got the Saudi golf tour, Saudi guy with his bloody knife looking at a golfer saying, we give whole new meaning to the term, making the cut.

[00:24:01] Bob Englehart: Uh, yeah, I like that. I like drawing that cartoon. I'm a golfer. I play golf. Well, let's put it this way. I play golf. I don't know if I'm a golfer.

[00:24:08] Bob Englehart: we make up our own rules. So this is kinda

[00:24:10] Daryl Cagle: like the Saudi do.

[00:24:11] Bob Englehart: Exactly. I mean, we call it pirate golf.

[00:24:14] Daryl Cagle: Here you've got, uh, the indictments canoe with Uncle Sam and Donald Trump in it, going off the waterfall. Uncle Sam says, it looks like we're this together. Yeah. This is

[00:24:25] Bob Englehart: kind of a boiler played cartoon where there's. A person going off the waterfall, a person going off the cliff, somebody going off a building.

[00:24:34] Bob Englehart: it's a great way to explain an iffy situation.

[00:24:38] Daryl Cagle: Well, you're also being optimistic about this because,, it seems like Trump, uh, doesn't really, really suffer from all of his crazy travails. No, not yet.

[00:24:48] Daryl Cagle: But you remain optimistic.

[00:24:50] Bob Englehart: I remain optimistic that, that he will have to, deal with the law.

[00:24:55] Daryl Cagle: Hey, you've got that nice Trump baby balloon. Flying over Montana. Yeah. Uh, like the Chinese spy balloon. That's fun. And here you've got Wall Street turned all upside down. Got the Wall Street guy hanging on that says, please remain buckled in your seats as we are expecting turbulence.

[00:25:13] Daryl Cagle: Yeah, when I drew this on the bottom, it's a good standard cartoon for when the wall street's going crazy,

[00:25:19] Bob Englehart: right? And when I drew this, I thought, ah, I'm, I hope the editors and newspapers understand that and don't put it in upside down.

[00:25:28] Daryl Cagle: And here you've got the get woke booth. And the ladies in there talking to the Easter bunny. She says, and what pronoun do you prefer? And the bunny says, bunny,

[00:25:38] Bob Englehart: you know where I learned what woke was when I saw it. Where for the first time I saw it for the first time in a New Yorker cartoon.

[00:25:47] Bob Englehart: It was, and I, and I don't remember who drew it, but it was a, a couple there. They're in our kitchen and, uh they're saying the, uh, refrigerator is

[00:25:57] Daryl Cagle: woke. Well, that's where we learn about society in New Yorker cartoons. Right. So that's the first thing makes us think that there's a whole lot of issues with feeling lonesome on desert islands and, uh, yeah.

[00:26:07] Daryl Cagle: Right. Lots of, uh, executives at their desk looking down on the world. That gives us a good perspective on what society really looks like.

[00:26:15] Bob Englehart: I didn't know what woke meant. I had to, I had to go to the computer.

[00:26:18] Daryl Cagle: Okay. So Bob, yeah. I think we have reached the end of your cartoon selection. Uh, do you have a few more words for your fans? Maybe encourage them to, throw a little, uh, change into your busking cup.

[00:26:33] Bob Englehart: Well, I, I don't know how to, I don't know how to ask.

[00:26:39] Daryl Cagle: I'm asking for more. Well, you're a gentleman. What I'm, I'm hoping is we have a little bit of a transition for the cartoonists away from newspapers that aren't gonna be paying enough royalties to, to allow cartoonists to continue to draw to, looking at, at cartoonists a little bit like The buskers on the side of the street playing their instrument, and you throw a couple bucks into their can and, and Well, I, I could.

[00:27:02] Daryl Cagle: That's nice. You know, I, I really prefer the idea that, that cartoonists and, and public figures could, could be supported by their followers and fans rather than by editors, uh, who have all of these other concerns that really Shouldn't affect your voice, shouldn't make you draw for a particular point of view other than your own point of view.

[00:27:25] Daryl Cagle: And you know, the people that agree with you, they should throw a few bucks your way. Just, you know, encourage you to keep going. That's what I hope to achieve here. Well,

[00:27:33] Bob Englehart: I, but I left the paper. I thought, you know, this internet could work out if, if, if a million people sent me $1 a month. My God.

[00:27:44] Bob Englehart: I'd be, I'd be,

[00:27:46] Daryl Cagle: I'd be wealthy. But it doesn't work that way. Well, I, I, it doesn't work that way. It, it doesn't work that way. But you might get, you might get some people feeling like they, they like your attitude and, uh, uh, you know, actually you, everyone is just a lovely compliment. It's encouraging, it makes you feel better about the world to get a couple bucks.

[00:28:09] Daryl Cagle: And, and so I, I encourage everyone to go to Cagle.com/angle heart. I've never had to kill a Bob Engelhart cartoon, you know? Um, you don't, you don't. That's anything that offends me.

[00:28:21] Bob Englehart: Well, you're hard to offend.

[00:28:24] Daryl Cagle: I am not, I kill a lot of cartoons. I killed all of the cartoons that, uh, dis uh, dominion Voting Systems.

[00:28:32] Daryl Cagle: I've killed a number of cartoons that were just, I thought outrageously offensive, uh, uh, putting down L G T B Q people. I killed cartoons that were, Anti-vax and that we're promoting hydroxychloroquine and, ivermectin, um, oh, okay. You know, There's a bunch of crazy stuff that happens and then the editors have their cartoons that they kill. They don't accept any cartoons with Nazis in them. Cartoonists love to draw blood. They don't, they don't take cartoons where cartoonists drop blood or other bodily fluids.

[00:29:09] Daryl Cagle: If you draw, uh, KU Klux Klan, pointy hat on somebody. That cartoon will not get reprinted. Uh, you know, there's these two, uh, barriers. Me and the editors.

[00:29:21] Bob Englehart: I understand

[00:29:21] Bob Englehart: the editor's play. I mean, you get the editor. I the editor doesn't wanna spend the day on the phone defending a cartoon. In his newspaper. They just don't have the time to do that anymore. And an editor also doesn't want to get one phone call that says, I'm canceling the newspaper. That used to happen a lot at The Hartford Current and, uh, ag Discreted reader, reader would, uh, get angry at my cartoon and cancel it.

[00:29:50] Bob Englehart: And this happened with this one guy and the manager of circulation came upstairs. Tell me his record. He canceled his paper every other week for whatever reason. He was always getting mad at content. It was always content. they don't do that anymore. When they canceled, they don't come back.

[00:30:06] Daryl Cagle: Hmm. Bob, we love you and we hope you'll keep drawing and thanks for all you do. And, thanks to everyone who's watching. Please remember to subscribe to the cable cast, subscribe to the cable cast, subscribe to the cable cast wherever you're watching it. And, our Kele cast is available in both video and audio versions.

[00:30:26] Daryl Cagle: So if you don't see the cartoons, go to Cagle.com or Apple Podcast. Or YouTube or Spotify. To watch the video, go to cake cast.com. You'll see the past videos. And I, uh, appreciate everyone being here, and thank you again, Bob.

[00:30:39] Bob Englehart: Oh, you're welcome. Thank you.

[00:30:44] Daryl Cagle: Okay.