All the BEST CHRISTMAS POLITICAL CARTOONS with Rick McKee!

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[00:00:00]Daryl CagleHi, I'm Daryl Cagle, and this is the CagleCast, where we're all about political cartoons, and today we have my, favorite cartoonist guest, Rick McKee, and Rick McKee is just the most brilliant and prolific Christmas cartoon, Editorial cartoonist that exists. I've got to say, Rick, you just, you impress me with your Christmas cartoons.

[00:00:22]Daryl CagleThey're funny as all can be. I can't do a podcast with all your Christmas cartoons because it would run too long.

[00:00:31]Rick McKeeWell, I appreciate that.

[00:00:32]Daryl CagleAll right. This is one of your latest ones. You've got, in Whoville, they say that Cindy Lou, Who's brain shrank three sizes that day as she looks at. Sexy Luigi Grinch. Oh, look at those abs! Those eyebrows are dreamy!

[00:00:48]Rick McKeeYeah, that's just disgusting, the reaction this guy has gotten, I mean.

[00:00:52]Daryl CagleYou know, it's interesting we haven't gotten very many editorial cartoons about him. maybe it's an uncomfortable topic to try to draw a cartoon about.

[00:00:59]Rick McKeeYeah, maybe so. I, I, I can't figure that out. I don't know. Maybe, maybe it Cartoonists agree with the reaction.

[00:01:06]Rick McKeeI don't know.

[00:01:07]Daryl Cagleit is fascinating to talk to my son and Younger people about Luigi because they are so Sympathetic to him.

[00:01:14]Rick McKeeI know. Yeah

[00:01:15]Daryl CagleAnd the conversation always gets back to Hitler like on the web, you know What if you could go back in time and kill Hitler wouldn't that be the right thing to do and he just killed a Hitler Um, yeah,

[00:01:26]Rick McKeeI don't I don't think that compares at all.

[00:01:29]Daryl CagleWell, that's what I hear when I talk to the young people Yeah, I'm talking very generational.

[00:01:35]Rick McKeeYes, it is. I don't know if you're watching Saturday Night Live this weekend and in the past couple weekends, they've had, you know, on the weekend update, they've had jokes and the crowd when they show the guy's picture, the crowd just goes wild.

[00:01:49]Rick McKeeIt's like, Really? Anyway, I don't get it.

[00:01:51]Daryl CagleThat's pretty crazy. I would do a Luigi show if I had enough cartoons. There's only like half a dozen.

[00:01:56]Rick McKeeWould we, would we have this kind of reaction and sympathy if he, if he wasn't like a good looking guy, you know, if he was, somebody said, if he looked like Jonah Hill, you know, would they, would they be as crazy about him?

[00:02:07]Rick McKeeI don't know. Um, Poor Jonah Hill.

[00:02:09]Daryl CagleYeah!

[00:02:12]Daryl CagleIt's mostly just air! Santa says sorry, kid. Shrinkflation. You

[00:02:16]Rick McKeeknow what I love about, Christmas cartoons and holiday cartoons and Halloween's another good example is there's just so many, options for, you know, imagery, and there's so many, uh, metaphors out there, and, Christmas, you have Santa Claus, and you have the Grinch, and you have stockings, and you have, you know, chimneys, and it's just, it's endless.

[00:02:36]Rick McKeeSo that's, I, maybe that's why I do so many of them.

[00:02:39]Daryl CagleI love your Christmas cartoons. Angel says, Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy. The shepherd says, I need to upload this to TikTok before they ban it.

[00:02:53]Rick McKeeYeah, this one, this one's hot off the drawing table.

[00:02:58]Daryl CagleThis is your latest cartoon?

[00:02:59]Daryl CagleYeah,

[00:03:00]Rick McKeejust uploaded this one.

[00:03:01]Daryl CagleOh, so are you going to grieve the passing of TikTok?

[00:03:05]Rick McKeeI am. I love tick tock. I, you know, and the Chinese want my information. If they want to know what I'm up to, they're welcome to it. I don't care. But, um, Tik Tok is, addictive. I get on there and there's a lot of funny stuff on Tik Toc.

[00:03:16]Rick McKeeSo I kind of have a feeling somebody is going to pull something out at the last minute to say that, I don't know if it's the Supreme Court, I don't know if it's going to be Trump, but. It's going to be wildly unpopular if they ban that thing.

[00:03:27]Daryl CagleLast minute sale to an American holding company.

[00:03:31]Daryl CagleIt's not such a bad little tree, really.

[00:03:34]Daryl CagleMaybe it just needs a little love, says Linus van Pelt. Charlie Brown tree. This is a cartoon classic. The cartoonists all do Charlie Brown trees. Yeah. I've done a couple.

[00:03:45]Rick McKeeI've never done one. And I was watching, I was actually watching the Charlie Brown Christmas special the other night. And I thought. I need to do something on that.

[00:03:52]Daryl CagleWell, editors love this. This is the number one cartoon right now.

[00:03:55]Rick McKeeOkay, great.

[00:03:55]Daryl CagleCongratulations. Well, thank you. I appreciate it. You'll shoot your eye out, kid. Trump, A Christmas story. And this is wonderful.

[00:04:05]Rick McKeeYeah, I've done, I've actually done this one a couple of times, different ways. And, um, This one actually I did back in 2018 when he tried to shut the government down at Christmas time and then just this past week I thought, you know, I can pull that one out and run it again.

[00:04:21]Rick McKeeHe's sort of repeating himself. And of course they, I guess they saved it at the last minute. I don't know that this latest bill was that different from the one that they killed. He and his co president, Elon Musk. But, um, I think, I think they saw,

[00:04:36]Daryl CagleWell, this is wonderful. And the bunny pajamas, uh, identifies it as, the movie reference.

[00:04:42]Daryl CagleIf you, you didn't know already and that's, wonderful.

[00:04:46]Rick McKeeYeah, that's fun. There was a lot of fun. And I, and I, when I do something like this, I try to make it as accurate as possible and I went to see, I looked up the kid's pajamas, exactly the kind of pajamas he was wearing, you know, so.

[00:04:56]Daryl CagleThat's great.

[00:04:57]Daryl CagleAnd here's another one. Red Ryder BB oh, the poor Democrats. He actually

[00:05:04]Rick McKeedid shoot his eye out.

[00:05:05]Daryl CagleAnd you got blood, you know, editors don't like blood. Uh, try to keep it tasteful. There's a little tasteful blood puddle there. That is tasteful blood. You'll shoot your eye out, kid! Wow, I didn't realize I'd done three.

[00:05:17]Daryl CagleWell, I put them together just to embarrass you. Okay. All right. Ten drummers drumming, eight pipers piping, five lords a leaping. It's this inflation. That's very funny.

[00:05:31]Rick McKeeOh, well, thanks. That was, probably last year, actually.

[00:05:34]Daryl CagleI think that was a number one cartoon, too. You know, when you draw Christmas, you're the most popular thing.

[00:05:41]Daryl CagleYeah, it's the thing going. That's what's going. Oh, that's an old one, yeah. Oh, that's a lovely contrast cartoon, though. That's, a evergreen.

[00:05:48]Rick McKeeYeah. I wonder how many editors dip that far back. I mean, that's 2011 right there.

[00:05:53]Daryl CagleYou know, I think they don't dip that far back. I think they just, most of them just skim the front page.

[00:05:59]Daryl CagleYeah. Um, that's why we repost the oldies that we think they should notice. And very often, if you'd have put this up as an oldie, it probably, uh, would have been number one, too.

[00:06:08]Rick McKeeYeah, I don't, you know what? I don't know that I should do that, but um, maybe I should. I don't, this is a fun little thing that I do, and I don't know how many times it's gonna pop up, but I don't know if you noticed the little elf there, he's got a cigarette hanging out of his mouth.

[00:06:21]Rick McKeeOh, some

[00:06:22]Daryl Caglenewspapers have policies of, no smoking.

[00:06:25]Rick McKeeReally? I just thought, these elves, they're like, they look like little kids, but they're like hundreds of years old, so some of them probably smoke. So, um, I just started as a little inside joke. I was just putting a little cigarette in the elves mouth.

[00:06:38]Rick McKeeSo we'll stay for any more pop up.

[00:06:40]Daryl CagleWell, you've got Santa drinking a cocktail.

[00:06:43]Rick McKeeWell, that's

[00:06:43]Daryl Cagletrue.

[00:06:44]Daryl CagleTo be or not to be a good boy. That was the question. I had an AI write my letter to Santa in the style of Shakespeare.

[00:06:54]Rick McKeeThat's a

[00:06:54]Daryl Caglecharming oldie.

[00:06:56]Rick McKeeYeah, that's an oldie. That's a, at least a year old, I think. And back when AI was taking off.

[00:07:01]Daryl Cagleit's not just the Christmas metaphors being so available.

[00:07:05]Daryl CagleIt, your Christmas cartoons are just extra charming. Oh, well, I appreciate that. I

[00:07:10]Rick McKeeI do try to throw extra love on all of them.

[00:07:12]Daryl CagleYou do! They're all love charged! Okay. 'Twas the night before Christmas, some assembly required for peace on Earth. Oh, it's complicated.

[00:07:24]Rick McKeeWell, that's another oldie, isn't it?

[00:07:25]Daryl CagleYeah, well, that one never goes out of style.

[00:07:27]Rick McKeeThat's true. Unfortunately,

[00:07:30]Rick McKeethese are just lovely cartoons. Here's another smoking elf. We'll work for food. We'll work for milk and cookies.

[00:07:38]Rick McKeeI'm making myself laugh. Oh yeah. That was so, uh, obviously. Unemployment was so high, it was, a topic there.

[00:07:45]Daryl CaglePeace on earth. The gift box is empty.

[00:07:48]Daryl CagleOh

[00:07:49]Rick McKeeyeah. That one didn't have any love in it.

[00:07:51]Daryl CagleOh, no love. Oh, here's the kid with Santa and the grocery list. That's a sad one too.

[00:07:57]Rick McKeeYeah. You know, So to me, uh, when it comes to Christmas cartoons, the kid on Santa's lap is sort of the cliche that, Everybody does. And I've done my share for sure.

[00:08:08]Rick McKeeAnd, and you might show a string of them here now, but I do try to avoid those as much as I can. It's sort of like Obit cartoons. I will no longer draw somebody at the pearly gates. I just won't do it. So, I don't know. I used to do these a lot, though.

[00:08:23]Daryl Cagleyour background on this one is interesting, because it's a somber background.

[00:08:28]Daryl CagleA lively, but somber.

[00:08:31]Rick McKeeYeah, that was back when I was cross hatching way too much. This was probably back in the days when I had a newspaper job and my newspaper ran the cartoons in black and white. So, I generally tried to put a lot of pen work in there. And then we switched to color and, uh, and I would, I would still colorize them, but, um, for the web.

[00:08:50]Rick McKeeAnd then, and then, you know, I sort of let the color do more of the, the dark tones and I lightened up, you know, it's just, it's a lot to do a full color illustration every day. Well, I think, I

[00:09:00]Daryl Caglethink the background on this one sets the mood.

[00:09:03]Rick McKeeYeah, yeah, I really liked it. I like, but I just don't cross hatch like that, like I used to as much.

[00:09:08]Daryl CagleSo here you have the postal service bringing letters to Santa, but they're too late because he's already going down the chimney. Sorry, it's late. We're cutting back. that's great.

[00:09:17]Rick McKeeThat's another oldie. And my elf isn't smoking, so I don't know. Maybe, maybe he already threw it down.

[00:09:22]Daryl CagleWell, the post office is much worse now.

[00:09:25]Rick McKeeOh yeah. Well, and this was 2011, so it's gotten even worse than that. Yeah. I don't know if you have this problem, but um, This is as an aside, uh, anytime I send anything that looks like a birthday card or a gift card or something like that, there's a very good chance it won't make it to where it's going.

[00:09:42]Rick McKeeIt'll get intercepted in the post office and they'll open it up to see if there's a gift card in there. And so I, I don't even do that anymore.

[00:09:49]Daryl CagleI get like a monthly scorecard on the post office because I write all these checks to all these cartoonists. And, sometimes. They're all late. I mail them at the same time.

[00:09:58]Daryl CagleSometimes they're all late. The cartoonists are complaining, where's my check? And then sometimes they're regionally late. So I might get like just the South is getting their checks late or, uh, different identifiable batches of cartoonists are complaining about their like late checks.

[00:10:15]Rick McKeeSo, uh, I know, I know Atlanta has issues and I know my mail has to go through Atlanta.

[00:10:19]Rick McKeeSo when I know they're having issues at the Atlanta Post. Postal hub, whatever you call it.

[00:10:24]Daryl CagleContemporary Christmas Inn. Sorry, no room. That's a lovely evergreen. And that's 12 years old.

[00:10:31]Rick McKeeYeah, yeah, you could use that anytime. I had a lot of fun drawing that one. I'm sort of surprised nobody else had done it.

[00:10:37]Rick McKeeOr, I haven't seen it. Or anything similar to that. Yeah,

[00:10:41]Daryl Caglethat's great.

[00:10:43]Daryl CagleHuge September sale was only a matter of time. Pumpkin spice scented Christmas trees. This was your number one cartoon of the whole year. I think last year or a year before.

[00:10:52]Rick McKeeYeah. I just kind of got to be another thing.

[00:10:54]Rick McKeeAnd, um, Definitely nothing serious or political about it, but I know people talk about pumpkin spice. They complain about pumpkin spice Editors love pumpkin spice and you know, I don't think everything has to be so dead serious So every year I try to do something pumpkin spice related.

[00:11:11]Daryl Caglethe other cartoonists have also noticed your uh many pumpkin spice cartoons and how well they perform and I noticed that Encouraged other cartoonists to do pumpkin spice cartoons.

[00:11:22]Rick McKeeI've seen that, yeah. I've noticed that.

[00:11:24]Daryl CagleYou have great influence.

[00:11:29]Rick McKeeThey want in on the action.

[00:11:30]Daryl CagleOkay, they do. Uh, so here's, the Grinch and he's got his red Starbucks cup. The red Starbucks cup hasn't stopped Christmas from coming. Somehow or other, it came just the same.

[00:11:42]Rick McKeeDo you remember that? Do you remember the stupid, everybody was Acting like the red starbucks cup was satanic or something.

[00:11:50]Rick McKeeI don't remember so dumb as one of those Whipped up non issue things, you know, and um people were complaining about it on social media

[00:11:59]Daryl CagleYou know, I just barely kind of think so, but I can't remember why on earth.

[00:12:03]Rick McKeeI don't yeah, I don't remember why I don't remember what the complaint was, but it was just this huge uproar about the Red Starbucks cafe.

[00:12:11]Rick McKeeIt was so dumb, such a non issue.

[00:12:14]Daryl CagleSo here is Santa, he's got his Powerball ticket, and the winning Powerball numbers are, and the elves say, this economy must be worse than we thought.

[00:12:23]Rick McKeeYeah, it was, I'm sure one of those many gigantic Powerball, Jackpots,

[00:12:30]Daryl Cagleat a gigantic Powerball jackpot thing where everybody was talking about the deficit with George W. Bush. I drew a George W. Bush buying a Powerball ticket to solve the deficit, right? And he's standing in the long line.

[00:12:42]Daryl CagleAnd, just about. 20 other cartoonists drew the same cartoon. And I put them all up in a collection on MSNBC at that time. And I got so much mail and the mail was, these cartoons are all so funny. I just love these cartoons. Oh, so funny. Every one of them. them. Nobody, nobody commented about them being the same.

[00:13:05]Daryl CagleYou know, the cartoonists are obsessed with it. Other people are drawing my idea. We're all drawing the same thing. Yahtzees. But people don't even notice that when you line them up. One, two, three, four, five.

[00:13:16]Rick McKeeThey still don't notice.

[00:13:18]Daryl CagleThey love it.

[00:13:20]Rick McKeeI know. It's crazy. So here is Santa with his sleigh full of coal and Santa says, We're just gonna have to make two trips this year cause not enough room for the toys.

[00:13:32]Rick McKeeWith a big sexual harassers list. You did a whole lot of sexual harassment Christmas cartoons.

[00:13:38]Rick McKeeYeah, that was that was back was 2017. That was back when that was a big thing, you know, um, I guess that was whole Me Too thing and and everybody every time he turned around somebody else was sexually harassing somebody.

[00:13:52]Rick McKeeI did a Thanksgiving sexual harassment tune too that was, uh, one of my personal favorites. Just everybody sitting around the table praying and grandpa's saying he's just thankful that he hadn't been accused of sexual harassment yet. And everybody's kind of looking at him like

[00:14:05]Rick McKeeHave you been a good boy this year? There it is.

[00:14:10]Rick McKeehad to do it. And he's got a cigarette. I don't know if you can see it, but oh, the elf does have a cigarette. Yeah.

[00:14:16]Daryl CagleAnd here the elves are talking to a A great big elf and one says, I think a lot of these are seasonal workers. And the other one says, what makes you say that?

[00:14:29]Rick McKeeAnd he's got a cigarette.

[00:14:31]Daryl CagleOh yeah. He's the one with a cigarette. So here are the news and an exclusive. We have an eyewitness to yet another case of sexual misconduct.

[00:14:39]Daryl CagleCause the little girl says, I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus.

[00:14:44]Rick McKeeYeah, there's another sexual harassment one. And you know, the, uh, the news guy is always funny to draw.

[00:14:50]Daryl CagleAnd sexual harassment is a evergreen topic.

[00:14:54]Rick McKeeYeah, that's true.

[00:14:55]Daryl CagleAlthough it does have, times where it's more fashionable than other times.

[00:14:59]Daryl CagleSo, uh, here's one is really old. Oh, a seriously old one. And the guy with all the presents says, Hey, move it lady. You see, I'm trying to get in the Christmas spirit here, , and she's, oh geez. Merry with baby Jesus. And that's so sweet.

[00:15:15]Rick McKeeI think this one is from, I think this one is from 19 like 99 or 98 and I drew this completely black and white cartoon and it was like years later that I thought I should pull that one out and put color on it.

[00:15:31]Rick McKeeI think I drew this before I was even with your syndicate. And so years later, I thought I'm going to colorize that and send that to Daryl.

[00:15:37]Daryl CagleSo you've got so many evergreens. You could do a Christmas book. You could do Christmas calendars. It's

[00:15:42]Rick McKeetrue. Yeah, really.

[00:15:43]Daryl CagleBut, you should, you've got, uh, you've got a treasure of Christmas treasure.

[00:15:48]Rick McKeeYeah. I should, I should maybe do that. Not a bad idea. So here you've got the Uncle Sam kid and he just got cold in his stocking and Santa says stop arguing

[00:15:58]Rick McKeeI'd forgotten i'd done that one. Wow. Look at that. I don't even I couldn't even tell you what that's about I guess every I guess just the tone in america at the time.

[00:16:05]Rick McKeeEverybody was at each other's throats

[00:16:07]Daryl CagleAt the time. I mean, that's a long time. That's true. That's right. We can rerun that again. It doesn't matter when you drew that. That's true. So here's Santa, and Santa says, Trump kept his promise. He single handedly brought back my coal industry.

[00:16:26]Rick McKeeThat one was a lot of fun to draw.

[00:16:30]Rick McKeeYou know, I love it when you, when I just put in the black sky, you know, and uh, contrasting that with the white. And of course, got my little, uh, miner elf with his, with his cigarette, so.

[00:16:40]Daryl CagleMiners aren't supposed to smoke.

[00:16:43]Rick McKeeMiners? Not miners. That's a,

[00:16:46]Rick McKeethat's a galaxy quest.

[00:16:47]Daryl CagleA galaxy quest. All right. So Santa's reading his, Twitter and Trump says, Santa Claus is a loser. He's a Head of a toy company feeling so badly. He has to give his toys away. Sad. And the Trump who's not smoking says, I warned you not to put Trump on the naughty list.

[00:17:04]Rick McKeeThat one was hugely popular at the time. Cause this was, this was back in 2016 when Trump was tweeting and he was, he was, you know, uh, going after Jeff sessions and he was berating all these people publicly, that, you know, that he had hired and it was just, you It was crazy. It was insanity. so I did that one and that one, that one blew up on social media.

[00:17:25]Rick McKeeSo that was fun.

[00:17:26]Daryl CagleMuch like the federal government, my wife has a plan to spend us out of debt. That's great. Too many presents.

[00:17:35]Rick McKeeYeah, I won't say who, but this is based on people I know.

[00:17:38]Daryl CagleWell, that's, that's wonderful. Oh, I'm getting into your serious ones. The best gifts come in small packages.

[00:17:47]Rick McKeeSo, you know, again, for the, especially for my paper, when I, when I had a job, We're trying to do something sort of more just sort of I guess some people call these christmas cards or whatever But just sort of more of a straightforward cartoon less political for christmas day, so this is probably what you're going to get into here is Just what we would have published on Christmas Day in the Augusta Chronicle.

[00:18:09]Daryl CagleNow that you're not working for a newspaper and you have your complete freedom, are your cartoons any different?

[00:18:14]Rick McKeeI would say, uh, yeah, I would say, I'm drawing cartoons now that I would never have been able to get in the Augusta Chronicle. they were, Pretty, heavy Trump supporters there. And, um, yeah, I was, I was able to draw cartoons critical of Trump, but, I think, you know, now that time has passed I don't know that, I don't know that I could still get those cartoons in the paper.

[00:18:36]Rick McKeeUm, so sort of, some of that is sort of speculation. but you know, I've sort of moderate, my, my, uh, paper was very conservative I don't, I don't think my views have moderated any, but I think that theirs have moderated further to the right. So, I think I would have more trouble,

[00:18:52]Daryl CagleWell, we have, tracked over the years, that, conservative papers have changed the cartoons that they're running, and they have changed to be much the same cartoons that liberal papers are running, which is cartoons with no opinion right or left.

[00:19:06]Rick McKeeRight.

[00:19:07]Daryl CagleAnd, it's interesting to see that confluence, because there used to be a big difference between right and left cartoons, and now it's just the right and the left are not getting used, and it's only the

[00:19:17]Rick McKeeGee, the weather's bad outside today kind of cartoons, or it's pumpkin spice.

[00:19:21]Daryl CaglePumpkin spice.

[00:19:23]Daryl CagleAll of these cartoons would be popular. Yeah. So the angels are saying glory to God in the highest and on earth a ceasefire, which is about as much as we can hope for.

[00:19:35]Rick McKeeYeah, that was, I love that voice, that angel really.

[00:19:40]Daryl CagleWell you know what angels sound like.

[00:19:42]Rick McKeeYeah, it's true. This one, uh, this one ran, last year after the whole situation.

[00:19:47]Rick McKeein Israel and Gaza and all that and everything was just, of course, Ukraine was blowing up, sort of captures all of that. And like, you know, again, every, every year, I guess, is like that. Yes,

[00:19:58]Rick McKeethis is absolutely an evergreen. Yeah,

[00:20:00]Rick McKeelast year was particularly bad at this time of year, I thought.

[00:20:04]Daryl Cagleit's pretty darn bad now.

[00:20:06]Rick McKeeYeah. No, you're right. Maybe we're just,

[00:20:08]Rick McKeeyou know,

[00:20:08]Rick McKeemaybe I've just gotten used to it, which is a sad commentary.

[00:20:12]Daryl CagleThat's true. Here's your hope of the manger.

[00:20:16]Rick McKeeAnother oldie, yeah.

[00:20:17]Daryl Cagleit's a greeting card. It's for your calendar.

[00:20:19]Rick McKeeYeah, it's a greeting card. That's what it, that's what it is. Greeting card.

[00:20:23]Daryl CagleI always

[00:20:23]Daryl Caglethought that if Hallmark was an editorial cartoonist, Hallmark would be the most popular editorial cartoonist.

[00:20:30]Rick McKeeIt's true.

[00:20:30]Rick McKeeIt's very true.

[00:20:34]Daryl CagleFor unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given. Merry Christmas to us.

[00:20:40]Rick McKeeYeah, it's pretty straightforward. Christmas Day cartoon. And it became a challenge every year. What am I going to do this year? How am I going to draw this Christmas Day Cartoon differently,

[00:20:49]Daryl CagleI think you could do all Christmas cartoons

[00:20:52]Daryl CagleBecome a Christmas cartoonist

[00:20:54]Rick McKeeI don't think I want to do that.

[00:20:55]Daryl CagleChristmas

[00:20:56]Daryl Cagleall year round. So the angel comes down to the shepherds again. This angel says, Fear not, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.

[00:21:13]Daryl CaglePerhaps that voice wasn't appropriate.

[00:21:15]Rick McKeeNo, that was, that was great.

[00:21:21]Rick McKeeYeah, not fake news. This was, uh, again, this was during the Trump era when everything he was saying, he was claiming everything was fake news. So I thought,

[00:21:28]Rick McKeeyou

[00:21:28]Rick McKeeknow, I can work a little editorializing in there.

[00:21:31]Daryl CagleWell, that's great. And that's actually your last one. Okay. Well, that was fun.

[00:21:35]Daryl CagleI think this was, this is a great podcast.

[00:21:39]Rick McKeeWell, I enjoyed it. I appreciate you doing it.

[00:21:41]Daryl CagleI'll probably have to call it another Trump Christmas to get people to watch it. But, uh, Well, you know what, You're not at all Trump limited. You're, you're just, uh, you're, you're the king of cartoon Christmas.

[00:21:53]Rick McKeeWell, like you say, editors like it, so try to give them what they want.

[00:21:56]Daryl CagleOkay,

[00:21:57]Rick McKeeany last Christmas words? Um, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and Happy Holidays and Happy Kwanzaa and Diwali and Winter Solstice and Festivus.

[00:22:11]Daryl CagleOkay. Well, thank you for joining us for our, our great Caglecast with Rick. And, remember that Caglecast is available wherever you get your podcasts, but, you want to be sure to watch the video and you can get that on YouTube or Cagle.Com or Caglecast.Com or Rumble or Spotify. And, uh, be sure to subscribe, get our newsletter so that you never miss a Caglecast. And, thank you so much for coming. And Rick, thank you again. Yeah. Thanks for having me, Daryl. I'm a big fan, Rick. Well, I'm a big fan of yours as well. Oh, you're a sweetheart.

[00:22:49]Daryl CagleUh, that's the end. Thank you. Bye.