Migrants are Eating the Pets – The Best Political Cartoons about the Debate and the Election

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Daryl Cagle: Hey everybody, I'm Daryl
Cagle, and this is the CagleCast, where

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we're all about political cartoons.

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Today we've got a great podcast about,
the election and the debate, I'm

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here with Rick McKee, Jeff Koterba,
and Pat Bagley, three of the best

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cartoonists that you'll ever see around.

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Hello, gentlemen.

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Hey,

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Rick McKee: Daryl.

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Good to be here.

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Hey Pat.

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Hey Jeff.

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Daryl Cagle: Hey guys.

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We're going to start off with Rick.

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this is a hilarious cartoon.

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You've got the dog pulling, down
Trump's swim shorts, like the

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Coppertone commercial and, the,
the illegals are eating the dogs.

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Hey, that's hilarious.

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I appreciate it.

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Jeff Koterba: I, I love, I love that
you have the, it's the Coppertone thing.

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You've got the tan lines and his
backside is pale, and yet you have that

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extra layer on the face of the orange.

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So it was like, brilliant.

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Rick McKee: And that was, uh, thank you.

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Thank you.

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And that was a sort of an
internal debate I had was how do

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I want to handle his tan line?

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I, I thought about making
his butt like orange too.

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Like his face.

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that really wasn't working.

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And I think, Mad Magazine did that,
so I thought I didn't want to, I

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didn't want to steal that idea.

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But, uh,

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Daryl Cagle: So, Rick, you were
the cartoonist for decades for

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Augusta Chronicle in, Georgia.

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You draw the comic strip Pluggers, and
we've syndicated you for 20 years, and,

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you're one of my favorites on the podcast.

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Rick McKee: Ah, well, thank you very much.

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I'm happy to be here.

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Thanks for having me.

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Daryl Cagle: here you have Trump
on the news, the news guy says,

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and we're hoping for a debate
heavy on substance and the issues.

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And Trump says they're eating the pets.

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Rick McKee: Yeah, this
was my immediate reaction.

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This was, I drew this
the night of the debate.

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I was sitting here with my iPad
sketching and I think like the other

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two guys were probably all watching
and waiting for some moment to happen,

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you know, sort of makes or breaks the
candidate or crystallizes the thing.

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and I, you know, I knew he was
going into this debate with this

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Laura Loomer, Loomer character,
and she was the one that started

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the whole eating the dogs and cats.

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Oh, and I thought I thought Surely, he's
not gonna bring that up I was watching the

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debate and he just went off like a lunatic

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Daryl Cagle: Well, you know the
cartoonists love dogs and cats.

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I knew the minute that was
mentioned that was all it was

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gonna boil down to For the cartoon.

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Rick McKee: Yep.

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Yep.

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That was all I was gonna boil down
to and uh, you know, she really got

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his goat, you know, she could You
Add another animal into the mix.

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She, um, talking about it.

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Jeff Koterba: People do eat goats.

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Daryl Cagle: Here she is with her
word salad and, Trump with his,

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uh, election fraud, nothing burger
of Qanon Kool Aid, verbal baloney,

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2020 sour grapes conspiracy.

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That's rhetorical tripe
and bananas rambling.

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We hear about word salad because they
don't have that many, Substantive things

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to complain about, Kamala about, but, uh,
you know, Trump is worse for word salad.

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Rick McKee: Oh, absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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And he's also, not only is he fun to
draw, he's fun to write for, because,

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you know, we don't do impressions, you
know, that you can hear, but we can

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often write Trump and sort of capture.

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his ridiculous, pattern of speaking.

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And, and to me that, I think it's
wordy for the reader, but I think

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they have fun because when they read
it, they hear him in their head, with

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his just talking about, you know,
electric batteries and dodging sharks

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and Hannibal Lecter and all this crap.

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Daryl Cagle: So here you've got dad,
uh, rooting in the, the living room.

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Like he's watching a football game with
his big number one hand, and he says,

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come on, fight, kill the other team.

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And mom says, you know, not to bother your
father when he's watching the election.

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. yeah, that was very tough.

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This would be, I knew this
would be one of the most popular

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ones when I, when I saw it.

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Jeff Koterba: You sound like
the mom from Bob's burgers.

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Daryl Cagle: I do?

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Rick McKee: I try to do a football
cartoon every season because I

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know the editors like that and
I know the readers like that.

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And, as I was thinking about my
annual football cartoon, it just

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occurred to me that that's what's
sort of wrong with politics in

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America today is we're all just.

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Devoted not, you know
present company excluded.

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We're all just devoted to our teams, you
know, it's come down to Uh, i'm going

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to support this person Simply because
they have an R behind their name or a D

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behind their name and they don't they're
not actually stopping to consider you

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know, you know the larger picture and uh
right now it seems to be predominantly

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These trump people Have totally thrown
out everything they ever supposedly

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believed in to support this guy simply
because he's got an arm behind his thing

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So that was that was the thinking behind

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Daryl Cagle: that pat we're moving
on to you this is a nice one.

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Pat Bagley: So Early on when he's
trying to come up with something about

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Kamala He talked about her laugh and
how that's not very presidential.

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And then she picks Walz, who is
also kind of a nice, easygoing

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kind of guy, likes to laugh.

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he just thinks that's
weird where he's a felon.

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he's holding up the Bible upside down.

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He's with, Vance.

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And this is before they did
the whole cat eating thing.

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Daryl Cagle: Well, you know, there
aren't that, many, things on their

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list of Kamala attributes that they
had to choose from to complain about.

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Pat Bagley: True.

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I mean, it's hard to call her, it's
hard to call her a Marxist, but, uh.

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Rick McKee: Right, yeah.

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Pat Bagley: All we have
to do is ask a Marxist.

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Is she a Marxist?

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They'll say no.

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They'll laugh at you.

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Rick McKee: I love all your
little details in this Pat.

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He is got his Trump tennis shoes on.

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He's got his, his arrest,
thing around his neck, his

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Oh, this Mountain Dew.

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And yeah.

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And his eye out.

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Daryl Cagle: Pat Bagley has been the
brilliant cartoonist for the Salt

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Lake Tribune in Utah since 1979.

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And Pat has won a ton of awards,
including the Herb Block Prize, and he

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is also a shining star in our profession.

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Well, thank you

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Rick McKee: pat.

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Is that toilet paper hanging
off the bottom of his shoe?

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Daryl Cagle: Yes, it is

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Just because that's a nice touch here
they are excessive joy in the arena.

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Yeah, and

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Pat Bagley: this is after
the uh, democratic convention

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And uh, it was fun to watch.

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It was actually very entertaining and
Democrats went from being Down below zero.

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I mean the enthusiasm was just
cratered after the first debate Then

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Kamala comes on, and they have their
convention, and it was just joyous.

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It was absolutely joyous, and
Democrats went from bottom to top.

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They're happy.

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Daryl Cagle: And you're, you're kind
of prescient with your cartoons,

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because, you know, this was before the
debate, and now all the talk on the

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right is about blaming the ref, and

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Rick McKee: Oh, that's true.

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That's true.

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Blame it on the ref.

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Jeff Koterba: You're Tim
Walz, by the way, Pat.

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It's wonderful.

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It's one of the best ones out there.

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Rick McKee: Oh, thank you.

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Yeah, I agree.

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Daryl Cagle: So here's your
Traffic Light cartoon with Trump

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and Kamala Go and Trump Stop.

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Rick McKee: That's

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very simple.

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Pat Bagley: Yeah, I like doing these
cartoons without words that you

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immediately look at it and get it and you,

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Daryl Cagle: enjoy

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Pat Bagley: it.

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Rick McKee: That would go well in France.

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Daryl Cagle: This was a little bit
jarring to me because, you know, the

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red light's supposed to be on the top.

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Okay, okay,

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Pat Bagley: I actually
got stopped for that.

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And they pulled out my artistic license.

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And they let me go.

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Daryl Cagle: Here you've got Trump, uh,
he's hugging his gun, you okay, baby,

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he says, when I was president, I totally
protected the guns, a quote from Trump.

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Rick McKee: that's a great one.

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It is.

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Pat Bagley: Yeah, but it's just, uh, sad.

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It's just pathetic.

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And then you have bands coming out and
saying that it's just a fact of life.

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That's just a How how did we get here?

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How did we get used to this?

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Rick McKee: Yeah, and as a, I
don't know about you guys, but

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as a cartoonist, I mean, these,
shootings What more can you say?

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You know, and uh, how
can you say something?

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How can you say something
new and different that hasn't

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already been said so I think you
really you really did that here.

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Pat Bagley: Oh, thank you.

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Daryl Cagle: So Jeff we are moving
on to you Jeff Koterba has drawn for

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over 30 years for the top newspaper
in Nebraska that we don't name His

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cartoons have flown around the world
on the Space Shuttle Discovery.

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He's consistently among our most popular
cartoonists, and he hosts a classical

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music show on radio station KVNO in Omaha.

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Jeff Koterba: Available streaming and
on your, on your app as well, worldwide.

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Thanks.

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Daryl Cagle: Okay.

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I'm gonna, I'm gonna check that out.

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So here you took, you took advantage
of our dog and cat debate opportunity.

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The dog says, what a
weird, weird campaign.

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And the cat says, that doesn't
even begin to describe it.

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Rick McKee: You know what I find
so crazy is that this is the word

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that, I mean, you, you know, you can,
people have called Trump, you know,

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racist, sexist, fascist, and all that.

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And, and weird is the
word that sets them off.

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Yeah.

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Pat Bagley: Yeah.

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Oh, crowd sizes.

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Rick McKee: That's true.

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That's true.

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Daryl Cagle: So here you've got J.

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D.

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Vance's book, That's kind of like,
made for Fred Flintstone out of stones.

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Cave Dweller Elegy, a memoir
of misogyny and sexism from J.

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D.

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Vance, the caveman.

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Rick McKee: That's great.

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That's a great illustration, Jeff.

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I like that.

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Pat Bagley: Oh, yeah.

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Jeff Koterba: Thanks.

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Thanks.

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It's fun to do.

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And those challenges, you know, you
have as an artist and think, okay,

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well, yeah, do I go back to like a
Flintstone mentality with a tablet?

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How thick with this stone book?

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You start, you have to sort of
disengage from the logic of it.

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And, you know, of course, you're not going
to punch holes into, you know, Like a cave

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book, because it would crack and crumble.

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So you just have to suspend
your disbelief or whatever.

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And then I realized, well, maybe
it's better that, well, if they're

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thick pages, I can't have a lot of
pages, but Oh, wait, there wouldn't be

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that many pages, three pages, maybe.

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So

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Daryl Cagle: I suspended my disbelief
to think this binding is unrealistic.

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Pat Bagley: As a, as a.

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As a retired Mormon, I looked
at this and I thought the golden

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plates made perfect sense to me.

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Daryl Cagle: There you go.

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so the campaign strategy room you have
The Republican elephants and he'll never

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go for it as the bandage on trump's mouth
you know, I've taken kind a little, uh,

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vacation from the podcasting and I missed
the whole assassination cartoons, which

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they, I didn't think this is cute, but
most of the assassination cartoons, I

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didn't think were much fun, whereas after
the debate, we've got all these dogs

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and cats and that's a whole lot of fun.

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Rick McKee: Well, assassination
attempts don't usually lend themselves

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to fun, but um, this is a great take.

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And I assume you probably didn't
do this in the immediate aftermath.

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It's probably around the
convention when, you know, we

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can laugh about it a little more.

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Jeff Koterba: Right.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Give it a little distance.

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Yeah, I

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Rick McKee: mean, you know, as much
as you might want to draw something,

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people were very sensitive and,
uh, we're not Charlie Hebdo yet.

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And

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Jeff Koterba: This was inspired
more by people wearing the bandage

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on their ears at the convention.

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So then it was like, okay, That I
felt like that sort of gave you,

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you know, permission to kind of
jump into that, you know, well,

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Daryl Cagle: you know, we just looked at,
at Pat's great, school shooting cartoon

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and very often, sad and tragic events lead
to a bunch of great editorial cartoons.

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But in the case of this, assassination
attempt, I think they did not

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lead to a bunch of great cartoons.

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And, perhaps that's because,
he recovered immediately and

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didn't have, uh, an attitude,

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Rick McKee: a trace of an injury.

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Pat Bagley: Yeah.

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Daryl Cagle: Okay, here's one of mine.

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This is actually my first cartoon
that I ever colored in Procreate

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I really struggled with this.

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but this was, this was just,
you know, joy and gloom.

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here's one I drew, this
week on the dogs and cats.

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The old couple watching the TV
man says Trump won the debate.

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The wife says.

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Kamala with the debate, and the
doggy says, Migrants are eating pets!

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And I think this seems to be
what editors wanted that day.

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Pat Bagley: Oh really?

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Rick McKee: It's great.

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Yeah.

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Pat Bagley: Did it do well?

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Daryl Cagle: It's been
number two this week.

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Rick McKee: Oh, wow.

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Very good.

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Daryl Cagle: So I threw this one in
by, uh, Rivers, because, you know,

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if you switch the TV to Fox, and see
what they're saying about this debate

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that Trump obviously lost, you know,
when there's news like that, it's

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hard to fit into your world view.

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the natural thing, I think, on the
right is to build a conspiracy around

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it and find whatever, odd facts can
just, be thrown into, uh, I'm just

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asking about this, you know, I do.

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So, uh, here you got
the Republican elephant.

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He says, So it turns out ABC
moderator Lindsay Davis is reportedly

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Kamala Harris's sorority sister.

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Also, it seems Kamala is Best
friends with Dana Waldman, an

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executive at Disney who owns ABC.

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And now at ABC whistleblower has
reportedly come forward with allegations

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that the debate questions were
given in advance to Harris, along

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with instructions to the moderators
to ruthlessly fact check Trump.

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Oh, and there's a former advisor to
Clinton, Mark Penn, who wants an internal

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investigation at ABC news, alleging
the debate was rigged for Harris.

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This coffee isn't the only
delicious thing I've been enjoying.

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all brought to you by a monkey
that I pulled out of my butt.

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You know, that is just absolutely
the conversation you hear

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every time you switch to Fox.

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there's nothing to anything.

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It's just, that, here's some stuff I
could throw together in a few sentences.

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And let's talk about conspiracy
because it's so impossible that Trump

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could have lost this debate to that.

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Kamala,

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Rick McKee: it's just pure men.

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It's just pure mental illness.

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I've also seen it rationalized.

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in another cartoon where they were
saying, well, you know, Haitians

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are poor and they eat animals.

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So therefore, these Haitians
could very well be eating animals.

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And, uh, okay, show me, prove it.

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You know,

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Daryl Cagle: here, this one is by, R.

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J.

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Mattson and it is a Hindenburg cartoon.

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And you know, We just, we
just love the Hindenburg.

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Cartoonists love the Hindenburg.

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And,

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Jeff Koterba: I still think it's too soon.

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No.

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Daryl Cagle: Well, of course, the
point here is that his debate,

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performance was just so horrible.

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And, I think that's just

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Pat Bagley: okay.

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When I saw this for the first time,
I didn't see the Trump balloon.

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Rick McKee: I did see it.

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That's

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great.

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Pat Bagley: That's great.

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Rick McKee: That's a, that's
a beautiful illustration.

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I mean.

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Jeff Koterba: Beautiful
drawing of an explosion.

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Rick McKee: R.

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J.

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Matson's got a great.

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Jeff Koterba: He's great.

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He's great.

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Daryl Cagle: So here is Gary McCoy,
another of our conservatives.

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You've got the Secret Service
guy with the, chest that's

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chained up and he says, Mr.

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Trump, you should never have
accepted Vice President Harris's

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debate conditions because, you
know, oh, the debate was a, he's a,

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he's a,

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the debate was a, a game, and
the rules were rigged against him

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by the liberals at ABC and, uh,

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Rick McKee: yeah.

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And he's, he's a victim and.

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You know, the smartest man on
the planet got duped and accepted

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conditions, you know, wow.

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Okay.

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Jeff Koterba: But I guess he'll do
better with Putin and Kim Jong Un then.

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Rick McKee: Exactly.

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He won't be duped by them.

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Daryl Cagle: This one was by Taylor
Jones and it's a Wizard of Oz

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cartoon with Trump as the Wicked
Witch of the West who's melting.

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Pat Bagley: Nice melt

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there.

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I

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like that.

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Rick McKee: Yeah.

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Jeff Koterba: And, and that's a
great, uh, drawing of her with

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that look during, from the debate.

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Debate, which was just delicious
to, to see because I wanted

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Biden to do that during the
debate, but of course he didn't.

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'cause he couldn't.

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But that look she gave him was, that spoke
volumes and he captured it in his drawing.

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So,

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Rick McKee: so she's tough to

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draw too.

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Pat Bagley: Yeah.

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Daryl Cagle: She is hard to draw

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Pat Bagley: somebody new.

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Well get somebody new.

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We start out, and then we refine
what she looks like, and I'm still

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trying to figure out what it is
about her face that, stands out.

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Rick McKee: Yeah, he did it.

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He definitely did it there.

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Pat Bagley: Oh yeah, he caught it.

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Daryl Cagle: Well, I noticed a whole
bunch of cartoonists are just drawing

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the biggest, smile that they can,
taking up two thirds of her face.

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And that works, but you're stuck
with one expression if you do that.

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Rick McKee: That's true.

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Daryl Cagle: So this is Dave
Whamond, and he's got the kid in

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school, and the teacher says, Do
you have your book report finished?

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And the kid says, I
have concepts of a plan.

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This was, Trump's, uh, response about his
not having a plan to replace Obamacare.

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Rick McKee: And which is funny.

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I saw a super cut yesterday on Tik TOK and
it was starting back in like 2015 or 2016.

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It was every instance where he said,
they're going to repeal and replace it

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and I have a plan and we're going to
sign it maybe this Sunday, or we're going

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to do it very soon, maybe next week.

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And it was just video
after video, after video.

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And it finally culminated with
that clip from the debate where he

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says, I have concepts of a plan.

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Pat Bagley: So, so, have you seen
today's cartoon, my cartoon today?

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It's just words, blank space that
says, I have a concept of a cartoon.

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Daryl Cagle: Well, this, this Dave Whamond
cartoon was the number one cartoon of

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the week and it is just, crazy popular.

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which kind of surprises me, I'm
getting emails from people saying,

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what's the significance of the math
problem on the, the blackboard?

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We're debating that.

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Jeff Koterba: The answer is 81.

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8889, by the way.

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Interesting.

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I wondered that too.

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Like I wondered because normally you
draw a blackboard and you draw some

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smudges and a bunch of figures kind
of, kind of blurred in the background.

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So I wonder that too.

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'cause it, your eye is drawn to that.

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So I didn't know if he was like a ask.

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Maybe somebody who knows
was born in 1981 and he was

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.
Rick McKee: Let me ask you old guys this,
because this is something I've been.

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Sort of not necessarily struggling with.

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But every time I draw a classroom size,

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Jeff Koterba: I know
what you're going to say.

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When do we start or white

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Rick McKee: white board?

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They don't, I mean, they're
not doing blackboards anymore,

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Jeff Koterba: right.

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Rick McKee: Unless you're in
the smallest, most rural school.

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I think don't have these old
style green blackboards anymore.

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Jeff Koterba: Rick, when are we going
to start, stop drawing Uncle Sam?

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Rick McKee: Well, never, never.

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Jeff Koterba: I mean, that's a strike.

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I've tried to do that.

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I've tried to draw, you know, aunt Sammy
and other characters, but it just doesn't.

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Rick McKee: A

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whiteboard is no fun.

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A blackboard, you know, you
can reverse stuff out of it.

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Daryl Cagle: Oh yeah.

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Look at this composition of this.

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If that was a white board, It
wouldn't, wouldn't look good on it.

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Rick McKee: I would ruin it.

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Absolutely.

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That's what they're doing.

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Daryl Cagle: Here's another Dave Whamond.

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Jeff Koterba: It's a green board.

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Daryl Cagle: You've got Trump
hiding and saying is Kamala gone.

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Pat Bagley: For some reason, this reminded
me of the Hitchcock, classic, The Birds.

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Where,

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Rick McKee: yeah,

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Pat Bagley: he opens and
all the birds come out.

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Daryl Cagle: Oh, was it set up
with this, uh, scene for the shot?

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It was like this.

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Yeah.

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Maybe that's what he's do.

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He's making an allegory.

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Uh, well, I doubt it.

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, but that's what came to my mind.

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So here he is, got Trump splashing his
ketchup against the wall as he does.

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We know when he gets angry

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Rick McKee: yeah, I saw this cartoon
because I was posting that night and Dave

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was already up and I was trying to decide
if he drew this before the debate, or

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during the debate, or, I think he had this
ready to go, just, and his assumption was

00:18:46.552 --> 00:18:50.162
correctly that this was going to be the
way it went, and I think he called it.

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It'd be interesting to know if
he did that or maybe somehow

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cranked it out afterwards.

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probably not anything anybody else is
interested in, but I thought it was

00:18:59.362 --> 00:19:00.522
interesting that it was up cycled.

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Daryl Cagle: You know, John Darkow has
Trump saying, The debate was rigged.

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They let me speak.

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Rick McKee: Kentucky Fried cat.

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That's great.

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Daryl Cagle: Bob Englehart with
Trump as the Tasmanian devil, Kamala

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Harris debates the Tasmanian devil.

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Rick McKee: that's an awesome take.

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Very simple.

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And uh, I don't even know
that you needed those words.

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In fact, I think maybe I would have left
the words out and just done it like that.

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Yeah.

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That's good.

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That's great.

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Simple.

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Daryl Cagle: Chris Weyant has, Trump
spewing his nonsense and a couple

00:19:32.013 --> 00:19:36.723
watching TV says too bad Trump's mic
can't be muted after the debate too.

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Pat Bagley: So I'm finding
this really interesting looking

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at the way that different
cartoonists are, depicting Kamala,

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Rick McKee: yeah,

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Pat Bagley: and we're working on it.

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We're still trying to figure it out.

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Rick McKee: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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She's hard

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Daryl Cagle: you wouldn't know that's her
if it wasn't in context or, if she was

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in a crowd, there'd be no picking her out.

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Pat Bagley: Yeah.

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Daryl Cagle: Here's Michael de Adder.

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This is a David and Goliath cartoon.

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Rick McKee: You know, I saw one just the
other day and I can't remember who did it.

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And it might've been Rivers that
had Trump as David and Goliath.

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And he was David going after, you know,
Everybody else who was ganging up on him.

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Uh, wow.

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Daryl Cagle: That is the
Republican mindset, isn't it?

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They're the little underdogs fighting
against the huge, mainstream.

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Pat Bagley: Yeah.

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I saw that cartoon.

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Who, who did that?

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Rick McKee: I can't remember.

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I think it might've been Rivers.

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or, well, nevermind.

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Okay.

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This one I didn't quite get.

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Is he in, is he in a safe space?

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Is that where?

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Is that where he is?

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Daryl Cagle: Here you have, uh,
Trump in his safe deposit box.

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I think I have the biggest crowd sizes.

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Nobody leaves my rallies.

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Pat Bagley: oh, oh, oh.

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I figured this one.

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It's you're looking inside the door.

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Somebody's opening up the oh,

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yeah And he's in the room beyond

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Daryl Cagle: that's his padded
cell That's where they pass

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his meals through the door,

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Rick McKee: okay Got it.

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Daryl Cagle: Very good

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Rick McKee: I didn't initially get,

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Pat Bagley: I didn't either.

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Daryl Cagle: Okay, here's Pat
Byrnes Trump's getting a ticket.

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He says, it's rigged.

00:21:04.733 --> 00:21:07.093
He's making a lousy sandcastle, rigged.

00:21:07.250 --> 00:21:09.180
Can't make his shot, rigged.

00:21:09.277 --> 00:21:11.187
Gets an F on his paper, rigged.

00:21:11.297 --> 00:21:13.407
This is just kind of a life story.

00:21:13.550 --> 00:21:13.850
Pat Bagley: Yeah.

00:21:14.783 --> 00:21:16.253
Daryl Cagle: Days in the life of Trump.

00:21:16.290 --> 00:21:18.830
Randy Enos has, Trump Chicken Little.

00:21:18.863 --> 00:21:20.513
and, uh, that's fun.

00:21:20.607 --> 00:21:21.227
Rick McKee: That is great.

00:21:21.857 --> 00:21:26.137
He's really, he's really sort of,
embraced a more cartoony style.

00:21:26.147 --> 00:21:27.397
I think it's working for him.

00:21:27.797 --> 00:21:29.057
Daryl Cagle: He's in his own place.

00:21:29.217 --> 00:21:33.297
Randy Enos has just shot up to where
he's in the top 10 all the time.

00:21:33.677 --> 00:21:35.397
Rick McKee: I know, and I
think it's because he's moving.

00:21:36.597 --> 00:21:39.777
Well, he's not away from that
woodcut style that I think, you

00:21:39.777 --> 00:21:43.623
know, and he's also doing them, you
know, more horizontal and, I think

00:21:43.623 --> 00:21:45.603
editors like that sort of stuff more.

00:21:45.740 --> 00:21:46.560
Daryl Cagle: He's, uh,

00:21:46.610 --> 00:21:49.090
Jeff Koterba: and has one of
the more unusual signatures.

00:21:49.233 --> 00:21:49.473
Rick McKee: Yes.

00:21:50.260 --> 00:21:51.740
Daryl Cagle: Here's another Randy Enos.

00:21:51.760 --> 00:21:55.245
Those Trump says I won the debate
just like I won the last election.

00:21:55.888 --> 00:21:56.918
Rick McKee: Yeah, that's great.

00:21:56.995 --> 00:21:58.725
Daryl Cagle: Here's one from Peter Kuper.

00:21:58.815 --> 00:22:01.935
Trump's debate prep, building
a brick wall around him.

00:22:01.988 --> 00:22:05.128
I'm not sure that's how I
would view Trump's debate prep.

00:22:05.228 --> 00:22:07.858
Rick McKee: I don't, yeah, I don't
think he had any debate prep, honestly.

00:22:07.890 --> 00:22:12.450
from everything I read, it was just
talking to people, you know, Matt Gates,

00:22:12.450 --> 00:22:15.640
Daryl Cagle: you know, he's got, he's
got this small palette of things that

00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:21.330
he says at his rallies and stuff and
for any occasion, and he was just,

00:22:21.485 --> 00:22:23.575
There with his same, pallet of stuff.

00:22:23.655 --> 00:22:26.408
And there really isn't that
much there for him to draw upon.

00:22:26.408 --> 00:22:27.648
Jeff Koterba: But I think
that was kind of the point.

00:22:27.658 --> 00:22:30.742
That was kind of the point that he was
making with this cartoon, small pallet.

00:22:30.742 --> 00:22:33.268
I mean, just this, he's just
immersed himself in this

00:22:33.288 --> 00:22:35.428
very finite pallet of things,

00:22:36.228 --> 00:22:36.848
Daryl Cagle: immigration,

00:22:36.848 --> 00:22:38.708
crime, transgender, Hunter Biden,

00:22:39.138 --> 00:22:40.512
Rick McKee: he's in a
well, that makes sense

00:22:40.585 --> 00:22:41.445
Daryl Cagle: in a well.

00:22:42.088 --> 00:22:43.578
Rick McKee: Well, fort of some sort.

00:22:43.615 --> 00:22:44.005
Daryl Cagle: Yeah.

00:22:44.275 --> 00:22:45.575
This one's weirder and weirder.

00:22:45.575 --> 00:22:48.525
Alice in Wonderland and
the Trump Cheshire cat.

00:22:49.068 --> 00:22:50.188
Rick McKee: That's a lovely drawing.

00:22:50.248 --> 00:22:53.802
Daryl Cagle: the weird thing,
uh, is just, uh, it's interesting

00:22:53.802 --> 00:22:55.222
how that connects with people.

00:22:55.255 --> 00:22:57.215
Here's Adam Zyglis.

00:22:57.245 --> 00:23:01.177
Trump just, being completely
taken apart by, uh, Kamala.

00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:02.080
Pat Bagley: Oh, she screwed him.

00:23:02.143 --> 00:23:02.623
See that?

00:23:02.747 --> 00:23:04.307
Rick McKee: Oh, she's removed a screw.

00:23:04.312 --> 00:23:05.842
Yeah, she's unscrewed him.

00:23:06.392 --> 00:23:07.082
Pat Bagley: Unscrewed him.

00:23:07.752 --> 00:23:08.042
.
Rick McKee: Yeah.

00:23:08.042 --> 00:23:08.802
She's unscrewed him

00:23:09.147 --> 00:23:10.587
Jeff Koterba: un unhinged or something.

00:23:10.647 --> 00:23:10.977
Rick McKee: Yes.

00:23:11.743 --> 00:23:13.807
Daryl Cagle: Here's Dave
Granlund with, a cartoon.

00:23:13.807 --> 00:23:15.367
you could have drawn in advance.

00:23:15.367 --> 00:23:16.237
Maybe he did.

00:23:16.280 --> 00:23:16.610
Rick McKee: Yeah.

00:23:16.615 --> 00:23:16.875
Could be.

00:23:17.138 --> 00:23:17.458
And

00:23:17.468 --> 00:23:18.978
Daryl Cagle: again,
hook, line, and sinker.

00:23:18.978 --> 00:23:20.968
This one is drawn after the debate.

00:23:21.025 --> 00:23:21.615
That's good.

00:23:22.298 --> 00:23:22.878
Rick McKee: That's fun.

00:23:22.932 --> 00:23:23.912
Daryl Cagle: Um, yeah.

00:23:25.153 --> 00:23:28.353
And, uh, fish, I love to
draw fish in cartoons.

00:23:28.381 --> 00:23:31.308
So here's some Rivers I threw
in here because, we're not

00:23:31.318 --> 00:23:32.901
getting much from the other side.

00:23:32.901 --> 00:23:37.281
most of the cartoonists are on the left
and, This says polls show undecided

00:23:37.281 --> 00:23:39.661
voters thought Trump won, which.

00:23:39.661 --> 00:23:40.901
Was not correct,

00:23:40.951 --> 00:23:41.191
Pat Bagley: yeah.

00:23:41.201 --> 00:23:44.584
Well, he could, he could have done
this before the debate, no matter

00:23:44.584 --> 00:23:46.474
what he was going to say this, right?

00:23:47.788 --> 00:23:51.758
Daryl Cagle: And the Democrat
donkey says, did you see the debate?

00:23:51.938 --> 00:23:54.358
Did you see how convincing Kamala was?

00:23:54.388 --> 00:23:59.534
Well, did you and undecided voters say,
yes, she convinced me to vote for Trump.

00:23:59.629 --> 00:24:02.669
Which is just, uh, that did not happen.

00:24:02.669 --> 00:24:05.599
Rick McKee: It did not.

00:24:05.693 --> 00:24:09.783
Daryl Cagle: Trump versus the entire
establishment, the real David and Goliath.

00:24:09.863 --> 00:24:10.693
Pat Bagley: So who's the artist?

00:24:10.753 --> 00:24:11.773
Daryl Cagle: This is Rivers.

00:24:11.793 --> 00:24:14.413
Rick McKee: I wonder if this was
in response to the Adders cartoon,

00:24:15.273 --> 00:24:16.703
because I know he does this.

00:24:16.800 --> 00:24:22.190
Daryl Cagle: I think David and Goliath
is kind of a theme on the right.

00:24:22.276 --> 00:24:25.036
It's just the way they
feel about the world.

00:24:25.496 --> 00:24:25.826
Rick McKee: Yeah.

00:24:25.873 --> 00:24:29.520
Daryl Cagle: Here's the old couple and
The old man is saying, Trump is such

00:24:29.520 --> 00:24:34.070
an idiot, I have no good authority
from the media, no one is eating pets.

00:24:34.070 --> 00:24:38.453
And the wife says, wait, where is Fluffy
and where is that smell coming from?

00:24:38.543 --> 00:24:41.333
Because of course, you know, there
must be some truth behind it.

00:24:41.513 --> 00:24:41.823
Rick McKee: Yeah.

00:24:43.310 --> 00:24:45.410
Daryl Cagle: So this is Arend van Dam.

00:24:46.050 --> 00:24:49.133
And you know how we all like
to draw, peeing cartoons

00:24:49.133 --> 00:24:50.693
and they never get printed.

00:24:50.743 --> 00:24:52.123
Here is an example.

00:24:52.156 --> 00:24:55.336
Some of us just stopped drawing
the peeing cartoons since we know

00:24:55.336 --> 00:24:56.546
they're not going to be printed.

00:24:56.683 --> 00:24:59.660
And some of the cartoonists
just keep drawing them anyway.

00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.350
Rick McKee: I'm not familiar
with this cartoonist.

00:25:01.350 --> 00:25:03.110
Is he European or something?

00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:04.370
Daryl Cagle: He is from Holland.

00:25:04.406 --> 00:25:06.626
Jeff Koterba: European, ah.

00:25:06.626 --> 00:25:07.416
Rick McKee: European.

00:25:07.620 --> 00:25:07.780
Yeah.

00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:08.590
Oh,

00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:10.320
Daryl Cagle: I got that.

00:25:11.836 --> 00:25:13.396
Oh, wait, am I out of cartoons?

00:25:13.396 --> 00:25:14.536
I think I am.

00:25:14.886 --> 00:25:15.666
Rick McKee: Wow, is that all?

00:25:15.833 --> 00:25:17.633
Daryl Cagle: You felt
like this was a quick one?

00:25:17.840 --> 00:25:18.040
Rick McKee: Yeah.

00:25:18.260 --> 00:25:20.030
Jeff Koterba: We were going to
talk about Saint Just, I thought.

00:25:20.579 --> 00:25:22.589
Daryl Cagle: Oh, we should
have talked about Saint Just.

00:25:22.646 --> 00:25:26.806
I should say that all you guys have
gone to this great political cartoons

00:25:26.806 --> 00:25:30.916
convention in Saint Just, and it's
fun, and this collection of cartoons

00:25:30.916 --> 00:25:36.083
that we are doing today is, from a
show that we're doing there on the U.

00:25:36.083 --> 00:25:36.433
S.

00:25:36.693 --> 00:25:40.773
election, so if you're hanging
around rural France and you want

00:25:40.773 --> 00:25:43.803
to go take a look at a great
exhibition, this is, this is great.

00:25:43.803 --> 00:25:48.213
This is, uh, great fun and, uh,
you guys are all in this exhibition

00:25:48.213 --> 00:25:50.713
and are all old Saint Just hands.

00:25:50.713 --> 00:25:53.023
So, uh, we are, we is

00:25:53.023 --> 00:25:53.983
Pat Bagley: every, is everybody

00:25:53.983 --> 00:25:54.643
Daryl Cagle: here going?

00:25:54.643 --> 00:25:55.213
I'm not going.

00:25:55.213 --> 00:25:57.736
I'm going and Pat is going.

00:25:57.776 --> 00:26:00.056
Jeff has been going for
a lot of years in a row.

00:26:00.056 --> 00:26:00.327
It is just.

00:26:00.695 --> 00:26:01.615
missing this year.

00:26:01.758 --> 00:26:01.968
It's a

00:26:01.968 --> 00:26:02.598
Jeff Koterba: lovely time.

00:26:03.048 --> 00:26:05.748
I wish I could Well, I'm
starting full-time, uh, on the

00:26:05.748 --> 00:26:08.088
classical radio show that week.

00:26:08.128 --> 00:26:12.898
And, but Saint Just, the festival is the
reason that I started learning French

00:26:12.898 --> 00:26:15.838
because of all the local people that
I wanted to communicate with, with.

00:26:15.928 --> 00:26:19.578
And so it was actually five years ago
I started learning French and I started

00:26:19.618 --> 00:26:23.765
a French conversation group, inspired
again by the people of this festival.

00:26:23.808 --> 00:26:27.658
It is now the largest, the fastest
growing and largest free weekly

00:26:27.668 --> 00:26:29.588
French meetups in the United States.

00:26:29.975 --> 00:26:30.475
Pat Bagley: Oh, cool.

00:26:30.505 --> 00:26:31.165
Good for you.

00:26:31.201 --> 00:26:31.501
Yeah.

00:26:31.601 --> 00:26:31.761
Great.

00:26:31.761 --> 00:26:31.781
We

00:26:31.971 --> 00:26:33.861
Jeff Koterba: have over 500, 500 people.

00:26:33.898 --> 00:26:34.138
Pat Bagley: Okay.

00:26:34.368 --> 00:26:36.258
How old were you when you
started learning French?

00:26:36.308 --> 00:26:37.008
Jeff Koterba: Five years ago.

00:26:37.018 --> 00:26:41.068
So 50, 57, 58.

00:26:43.078 --> 00:26:43.198
Pat Bagley: Wow.

00:26:43.658 --> 00:26:46.068
I mean, who learns a second
language when you're 57, but.

00:26:46.138 --> 00:26:49.878
Jeff Koterba: Well, I'll tell you,
I will say I, I was taking a class

00:26:49.878 --> 00:26:55.274
through Alliance Francaise early on and
we had, I was beginning French class.

00:26:55.320 --> 00:26:59.980
There was a woman who was 93
in the beginning French class.

00:27:00.030 --> 00:27:02.983
She had a magnifying glass
and a little flashlight so she

00:27:02.983 --> 00:27:04.443
could read the text better.

00:27:04.943 --> 00:27:06.713
And that was so inspirational to me.

00:27:06.913 --> 00:27:10.153
And it reminded me that anybody who
says, Oh, I always wished I could

00:27:10.256 --> 00:27:11.856
learn a language or play the piano.

00:27:11.903 --> 00:27:12.733
Well, okay.

00:27:12.853 --> 00:27:14.763
So she was a big inspiration to me.

00:27:14.821 --> 00:27:15.711
That was years ago.

00:27:15.711 --> 00:27:17.041
So I don't know if she's
still around or not

00:27:17.085 --> 00:27:17.775
Pat Bagley: good on you.

00:27:18.665 --> 00:27:20.925
Rick McKee: I've been there,
I don't know, three times now.

00:27:20.965 --> 00:27:22.625
And, uh, I've always had a great time.

00:27:22.625 --> 00:27:23.575
It's always fun.

00:27:23.594 --> 00:27:25.915
I think, you know, my biggest takeaway.

00:27:25.947 --> 00:27:31.737
Being, an ugly American is, uh, just
how normal and relatable and how

00:27:31.787 --> 00:27:33.527
the French people are just like us.

00:27:33.603 --> 00:27:36.933
and when I say just like us, I mean
like small town America, just like us.

00:27:37.113 --> 00:27:39.923
And, I think that's, really
everybody you meet there,

00:27:40.027 --> 00:27:44.607
Daryl Cagle: in France, these little
towns will pick a theme and have some

00:27:44.607 --> 00:27:46.747
kind of a festival on an arts theme.

00:27:46.757 --> 00:27:51.057
Lots of them pick, jazz and,
there are some comic cons and

00:27:51.207 --> 00:27:52.967
history festivals and things.

00:27:53.023 --> 00:27:57.553
Uh, and this little town picked editorial
cartoons, which is kind of crazy.

00:27:57.683 --> 00:28:00.533
There's nothing, no place else in
the world that I can think of that

00:28:00.983 --> 00:28:02.768
has would do something like that.

00:28:02.798 --> 00:28:07.562
And here in America, editorial
cartoonists are used to being

00:28:07.562 --> 00:28:12.435
reviled all of our emails from people
that hate us and are, are angry.

00:28:12.435 --> 00:28:14.375
And to go to a place where,

00:28:14.585 --> 00:28:15.825
Rick McKee: uh, like Jerry Lewis,

00:28:15.955 --> 00:28:17.315
Daryl Cagle: love what we do.

00:28:17.795 --> 00:28:19.555
That's just a crazy experience.

00:28:19.745 --> 00:28:23.715
How, where else have you seen
anything like that exist?

00:28:23.715 --> 00:28:24.075
Rick McKee: Nowhere.

00:28:24.075 --> 00:28:24.465
Nowhere.

00:28:24.495 --> 00:28:24.945
You're right.

00:28:24.965 --> 00:28:27.005
You're, you're like, you're
like visiting celebrities.

00:28:27.005 --> 00:28:28.555
And when it's time to leave.

00:28:28.875 --> 00:28:32.395
They all line up on the
road and wave to the bus.

00:28:32.405 --> 00:28:34.275
You know, the whole town comes out.

00:28:34.275 --> 00:28:38.955
on that Sunday and you're you're on the
charter bus and everybody's waving and

00:28:38.955 --> 00:28:40.945
you know Blowing kisses and it's just the

00:28:41.455 --> 00:28:41.565
craziest thing

00:28:42.045 --> 00:28:44.785
Daryl Cagle: It's it is crazy and
you know They cook dinner for us

00:28:44.838 --> 00:28:49.088
in a giant tent with everybody from
town and all the teenagers from

00:28:49.088 --> 00:28:54.135
town serving the food and they cheer
and they're happy and it's a wild

00:28:54.135 --> 00:28:56.745
experience every editorial cartoonist.

00:28:56.745 --> 00:28:59.085
I think should experience this craziness

00:28:59.085 --> 00:28:59.355
Rick McKee: Right.

00:28:59.355 --> 00:29:01.835
You're there on a, you're there
on a Friday night in the Fall

00:29:01.885 --> 00:29:05.245
and you have all these teenagers
cooking and serving for you.

00:29:05.245 --> 00:29:08.225
And you know, in America they'd be, you
know, at the high school football game.

00:29:08.235 --> 00:29:09.665
And I guess there's no
such thing over there.

00:29:09.715 --> 00:29:13.805
And, uh, they're just, they
put on a show and they feed

00:29:13.805 --> 00:29:15.978
you this great endless steaks.

00:29:16.015 --> 00:29:17.415
And, uh, it's just fantastic.

00:29:17.642 --> 00:29:19.992
Well, anyway, so that's
going to be happening.

00:29:20.162 --> 00:29:22.552
Jeff Koterba: I just want to say one,
uh, just like to say one more thing

00:29:22.792 --> 00:29:26.162
on, on Saint Just, you know, one of the
things that, that creates, it fosters

00:29:26.162 --> 00:29:30.062
this sense of camaraderie and they're
a cartoonist from across the political

00:29:30.062 --> 00:29:34.438
spectrum that people that you may not
agree with politically, but you respect

00:29:34.458 --> 00:29:39.935
them, you respect their work, and we can
all agree to disagree in a civil way.

00:29:39.970 --> 00:29:44.863
Have a steak some wine or beer and
everyone gets along and that's missing

00:29:44.863 --> 00:29:48.423
in American politics That's civil
discourse the agreeing to disagree

00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:53.017
Sit down over a beer or coffee and
and do so in a kind in a kind way

00:29:53.097 --> 00:29:56.928
Daryl Cagle: I see a lot of the news
about how France is torn between right

00:29:56.948 --> 00:30:01.488
and left and, they certainly, protest
and look mad on TV, but that's not

00:30:01.488 --> 00:30:02.938
something I ever see when I go there.

00:30:02.938 --> 00:30:05.462
They're just so, uh, lovely and nice.

00:30:05.552 --> 00:30:06.482
Rick McKee: Never encountered that.

00:30:06.802 --> 00:30:08.977
People from all over the world
go there and, and, and, uh,

00:30:09.133 --> 00:30:10.363
Everybody just has a good time.

00:30:10.393 --> 00:30:10.933
it's great.

00:30:11.027 --> 00:30:14.817
Daryl Cagle: So, this was the exhibition
that you will see in Saint Just in

00:30:14.817 --> 00:30:19.173
a couple of weeks last weekend of
September, first weekend of October.

00:30:19.173 --> 00:30:22.670
And it will continue there for a
while and, it will be great fun.

00:30:22.670 --> 00:30:25.460
And you've seen, four of the
artists that will be in that show.

00:30:25.527 --> 00:30:27.177
gentlemen, any last things to say?

00:30:27.273 --> 00:30:30.077
Pat Bagley: Yeah, the first time
I went to Saint Just, I met.

00:30:30.077 --> 00:30:34.487
Three of the artists from, Charlie Hebdo,
Cartoonists who were, uh, assassinated

00:30:35.163 --> 00:30:39.987
and it was just a couple months later in
January where the terrorists went into

00:30:39.987 --> 00:30:42.367
the offices and killed these people.

00:30:42.367 --> 00:30:43.767
And I thought, oh, this
is serious business.

00:30:44.667 --> 00:30:44.997
Rick McKee: Right.

00:30:44.997 --> 00:30:49.757
I met some of them too and, you know,
uh, hung out and chatted with them.

00:30:49.757 --> 00:30:50.637
And you're right.

00:30:50.647 --> 00:30:53.647
When that happens, you're like,
man, that really makes it personal

00:30:53.783 --> 00:30:57.107
and brings it home, that this sort
of thing is going on in the world.

00:30:57.193 --> 00:30:57.983
Daryl Cagle: Yes.

00:30:58.003 --> 00:31:02.133
And, they were convention friends for
us because we go year after year and,

00:31:02.143 --> 00:31:05.980
you know, you, you kind of develop
friendships at conventions like that.

00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:10.175
And it does, it doesn't seem that
Distant, like it's a once a year thing

00:31:10.175 --> 00:31:11.875
as you get to see them over the years.

00:31:12.045 --> 00:31:14.275
Rick McKee: And they become Facebook
friends and you interact with them.

00:31:14.275 --> 00:31:16.302
And, you know, it's, uh, real people.

00:31:16.302 --> 00:31:20.275
Daryl Cagle: So this was something that
really hit all the cartoonists hard.

00:31:20.325 --> 00:31:24.295
The editorial cartooning community around
the world is not that big a community.

00:31:24.575 --> 00:31:25.865
And we tend to know each other.

00:31:25.965 --> 00:31:31.145
So, um, on that sad note, gentlemen,
I think this podcast was a great one.

00:31:31.292 --> 00:31:31.682
Rick McKee: Fun.

00:31:32.062 --> 00:31:32.752
I had fun doing it.

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It's

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good to see you guys too.

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So yeah,

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you guys have, you guys
have fun in France.

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Daryl Cagle: Okay.

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