Trump WON … DOOMSCROLLING

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[00:00:00]Daryl CagleHi, I'm Daryl Cagle, and this is the CagleCast, where we're all about political cartoons, and today we have two, wonderful cartoonists, Rick McKee and Hajo Derijer. Rick is in Florida, and Hajo is in Holland, and we are here to talk about all of the Trump just got elected horror cartoons, and let's go.

[00:00:22]Daryl CagleRick, this is yours, and this is beautiful. This is just a beautiful cartoon. I appreciate that. I love all the details. I love the caricatures. I love how there's so much color in it. I love the way that you drew Washington as just the simplest little thing to tell you what town the circus is back in.

[00:00:41]Daryl Cagleit's all just beautiful.

[00:00:42]Rick McKeeWell, I appreciate that. I hate drawing a crowd and I hate drawing caricatures in a crowd but, um, When this all went down, I thought this is, this is the one I had to try to attempt to do. So, crank that out pretty quick.

[00:00:56]Daryl Cagleall of the cartoons we've been getting since Trump was elected are horror cartoons.

[00:01:01]Daryl CagleEven our conservative cartoonists didn't draw any happy gloating cartoons. You turn on Fox news and Fox news is full of happy gloating. And it's just surprising to me that that is not something that happened in cartoons. Here's your get out of jail free card. This is

[00:01:17]Rick McKeegreat. Well, thanks. This is the other thought I had was, and I also, so I did this one immediately after I did that one.

[00:01:22]Rick McKeeHe's not going to be held accountable for anything now and, uh, it's all just going to go away. Poof.

[00:01:27]Daryl Cagleyou know, we had so much attention to all of those trials and, they just mean nothing and he was absolutely as successful in his legal efforts as was possible to be and we were not Getting that from the news during all of those months.

[00:01:41]Rick McKeeRight.

[00:01:42]Rick McKeeI honestly don't think he even wants to be president again. I think he just wanted to stay out of jail. And it was a huge gamble and He got every single break he needed to get in every single case, uh, with the exception of the New York case. And now that one's just going to go away.

[00:01:59]Daryl CagleI think he wants nothing more than to be president.

[00:02:02]Rick McKeeReally? You think so?

[00:02:03]Daryl CagleHis whole reason for being.

[00:02:05]Hajo de ReijgerYou think so? but is it, is it true though? He cannot be prosecuted anymore. Also not for the New York, no,

[00:02:11]Rick McKeeno,

[00:02:11]Daryl CagleSo, Hajo, this is a lovely cartoon.

[00:02:14]Hajo de Reijgeris great. There's a lot of happening in this cartoon, I think. Now I see it, it's a lots of stuff there.

[00:02:19]Rick McKeeIt's his return, you know, all the, yeah, all the craziness that happened along the way.

[00:02:25]Hajo de ReijgerYeah.

[00:02:25]Daryl CagleHajo, you're a brilliant Dutch political cartoonist based in Haarlem in the Netherlands.

[00:02:31]Daryl CagleYou draw for the Dutch daily newspaper, the Handelsblad newspaper, which is a lovely subscriber to Kegel Cartoons. So we love your newspaper and you've won a ton of awards and thank you for being here.

[00:02:42]Hajo de ReijgerThank you.

[00:02:42]Daryl CagleRick is the cartoonist for decades for the Augusta Chronicle. He draws comic strip pluggers and we've syndicated Rick for 20 years and uh, we love you, Rick.

[00:02:52]Rick McKeeWell, thank you. Love you too.

[00:02:53]Daryl CagleOkay, here's another one you Hajo. I vomited today. .

[00:02:57]Hajo de ReijgerThat's great.

[00:03:00]Daryl CagleWhat is the mi It was easy. Why is the MI highlighted?

[00:03:04]Hajo de ReijgerBecause otherwise you wouldn't see it was, I voted today. So,

[00:03:08]Hajo de ReijgerI think

[00:03:08]Hajo de Reijgerif it was one color, you might have just missed the point there.

[00:03:11]Rick McKeeRight.

[00:03:12]Daryl CagleI did a vomit cartoon. Hey! you know, editors don't like vomit. And, I have, when I've drawn Vomit over the years, I've noticed that, certain countries really don't like Vomit.

[00:03:22]Daryl CagleLike Britain. Britain is really very disturbed by Vomit. They'll do all these crazy, nasty cartoons, but if it's Vomit, it's just offensive to them.

[00:03:32]Rick McKeeYou know, he looks a little bit like R. F. K. Jr. can you imagine, can you imagine RFK Jr. having any kind of role?

[00:03:38]Daryl Caglethe two, the two biggest horrors to me are all the people that are going to die because of RFK Jr's anti vax stuff and, poor Ukraine being thrown under the bus.

[00:03:49]Rick McKeeyou saw, uh, I don't know if you saw, but yesterday, the day before, it was a Washington Post story. They're asking, uh, Russia, what they thought about the election and they, you know, they basically said We won. Yeah. Russia said that.

[00:03:59]Hajo de ReijgerI also saw a little clip of, the Ukrainian guy and he said, well, we're very happy that, uh, I'm very happy that Trump won because then the war will end now, but he probably wasn't aware which, which side of the war.

[00:04:12]Hajo de Reijgerit gonna be?

[00:04:12]Daryl Caglethis is a lovely cartoon. Hajo, explain it to us.

[00:04:15]Hajo de ReijgerYeah, it's maybe a bit difficult, but my intention was that the first Trump, he trampled the Statue of Liberty. He trampled America, and the bigger one has to follow, and it's gonna be, too heavy to carry that load, I think.

[00:04:29]Rick McKeeYeah, the second time is gonna be worse. Yeah.

[00:04:31]Hajo de ReijgerYeah.

[00:04:32]Daryl CagleLiberty is facilitating

[00:04:33]Daryl Caglehis moving forward.

[00:04:35]Rick McKeeI think against her will. I think she's being trampled is what you're showing there, right?

[00:04:39]Hajo de ReijgerYeah, yeah, that was my intention.

[00:04:41]Rick McKeeThat's actually, that's a really beautiful drawing.

[00:04:43]Hajo de ReijgerThis,

[00:04:43]Daryl Caglethis is an oldie I reposted.

[00:04:45]Daryl Cagleand, interestingly it didn't do as well this time as it did, uh, 2016.

[00:04:50]Daryl Caglethat's really great though. That's,

[00:04:51]Rick McKeeuh,

[00:04:52]Hajo de Reijgeryeah, that's

[00:04:52]Hajo de Reijgerbeautiful.

[00:04:53]Rick McKeefor, friends who aren't familiar with Picasso, that's a really nice. Picasso Guernica,

[00:04:58]Daryl CagleYeah, I think lots of cartoonists draw Guernica.

[00:05:00]Daryl Cagleit's kind of like the scream painting. It's a standard as much horror as you can get into art this is another oldie that I dusted off from 2016 and This one was like the number two cartoon this week. The editors really wanted this

[00:05:15]Rick McKeeYeah, that's appropriate. I mean, it works

[00:05:17]Hajo de Reijgervery clear.

[00:05:18]Rick McKeeI had, I had several that I was able to sort of dig up and repurpose a little bit and repost still work.

[00:05:23]Daryl CagleYeah, all things old come new again

[00:05:26]Hajo de ReijgerYeah,

[00:05:27]Daryl Caglethis one this one was a big hit as well.

[00:05:30]Rick McKeeThat's good.

[00:05:30]Hajo de ReijgerYou

[00:05:31]Hajo de Reijgercan reuse everything.

[00:05:33]Daryl CagleIt

[00:05:33]Daryl Caglemakes me cry. This is an oldie I did of Trump the day after he beat Hillary. And, I thought, we don't have any cartoons that are celebrating Trump. And those conservative editors are going to be, angry with us again, and I needed to do something.

[00:05:49]Daryl CagleSo I, put Kamala's head on where Hillary's head was, and I re released this, and interestingly, nobody printed it. Not a single newspaper.

[00:05:59]Rick McKeeWow. It is not. Why do you suppose that is?

[00:06:01]Daryl CagleI don't know, because I, I thought the conservative editors would be, uh, angry with us, and they'd want this, and nobody did, which kind of

[00:06:09]Daryl Caglesurprised

[00:06:09]Daryl Cagleme.

[00:06:10]Rick McKeeWell, I saw this, and I thought, I thought that one's gonna do well. So I'm, I'm a little bit shocked that it didn't. what do you think is going on with that?

[00:06:16]Daryl CagleWe've seen such uniformity in, the horror and disgust of Trump being elected. this one is kind of a positive Trump cartoon and, well, you know, more Kamala bashing.

[00:06:26]Daryl CagleHe described her as this terrible monster, but nobody wanted it. And, you know, I don't, I don't really mind that nobody wanted it.

[00:06:32]Hajo de ReijgerBut have you seen in, in, any newspapers, the celebrating of Trump?

[00:06:36]Daryl CagleNo, but we see it. We see it all day long on Fox News and on the other conservative channels. It's just gloating and kicking the Democrats.

[00:06:44]Rick McKeeThere's a lot of conservative newspapers in this country, especially the smaller to medium ones.

[00:06:50]Daryl Caglethis is Dick Wright. You know how far right Dick Wright is. This was, pretty soft.

[00:06:53]Rick McKeeI think Dick's got a point here. I was thinking about this election and to me it felt a lot like the Bud Light boycott. This was the Bud Light boycott election to me. You know, it sort of turned into, you know, referendum on this cultural identity stuff and the far left, as he calls it, the woke stuff.

[00:07:13]Rick McKeeAnd I think just average Americans don't want that. They rejected it, resoundingly.

[00:07:17]Daryl Cagleit was pretty clear all along that Trump was The candidate for change and Kamala wasn't. This is another oldie that I resurrected it did really well it is kind of interesting to see what the editors wanted which was Soft disappointment among the democrats,

[00:07:32]Rick McKeeI think the editors just I think the editors just want soft everything these days

[00:07:35]Daryl CagleUh, this this cartoon is nice , it's basically just we're going back and uh, that's good. Yeah it is uh, here is Bart Van Leeuwen. This will truly be the golden age of America. there was, a number of smoke cartoons I've found. I guess everything burning. This is John Darkow.

[00:07:54]Rick McKeeOh, look at that. Yeah. I've seen a couple of those too now that you mention it.

[00:07:58]Daryl CagleThat could just be dark clouds.

[00:07:59]Hajo de ReijgerYeah, I saw a lot of clouds cartoons.

[00:08:01]Daryl CagleYeah, because everything is so sad. This one was the most popular one after the election, this Jeff Koturba must stop doom scrolling.

[00:08:10]Rick McKeeThat's a great cartoon by Jeff. I saw that one and I thought, man, I wish I'd thought of that. That's really That's really good.

[00:08:16]Daryl Cagleagain, it's just, a soft cartoon about the people feeling bad, which is just what the editors wanted.

[00:08:21]Rick McKeeBut you know, it is, but I think it also taps into what, I know it was what I was doing going into, I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't stop. And, uh, same thing for my kids, you know, we just couldn't stop. Looking at the news every five minutes.

[00:08:35]Daryl CagleThis is Peter Kuper. and this is his cartoon for Charlie Hebdo. So this is really a European cartoon. The American with his red, white, and blue shirt goes in to vote. He comes out and the cop is turned into a Nazi.

[00:08:47]Rick McKeeThat's really good.

[00:08:48]Hajo de ReijgerYeah.

[00:08:48]Hajo de ReijgerThat's not soft.

[00:08:49]Rick McKeeNo.

[00:08:50]Hajo de ReijgerNot soft at all.

[00:08:51]Rick McKeeNo. No. Well, we have a lot of

[00:08:53]Daryl Caglecartoons that aren't soft that just weren't too popular.

[00:08:57]Daryl CagleThis is Schot, another Nazi cartoon, and a reference to Elon. Scary.

[00:09:02]Rick McKeeWow. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:03]Daryl CagleThis is, another Dave Whamond cartoon, the Handmaid's Tale. do you get Handmaid's Tale in Holland?

[00:09:09]Hajo de ReijgerYeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Yes, we do. Yeah. I, I have a question though. because a lot of people in, in Holland, in Europe considered Trump to be a real fascist, so is it, the same in the, in the states?

[00:09:19]Hajo de ReijgerOr is he treated more gently or because fascism is quite a thing? I mean, it's not uh,

[00:09:25]Daryl Cagleyou know I did a podcast all about Trump as Hitler. We had enough cartoons for a whole podcast

[00:09:30]Hajo de ReijgerOh, right. Okay,

[00:09:31]Rick McKeeyou know a lot of it depends on who you ask. I mean,

[00:09:34]Hajo de Reijgerof course

[00:09:34]Rick McKeeAnd it's there's not a whole lot of middle ground, you know, there's not a whole lot of middle ground the people either Think he was sent by God, to save America or they think he's the next Hitler

[00:09:45]Daryl CagleThe response from Trump is to call Kamala Hitler

[00:09:48]Rick McKeeYou know, not to mention the fact that he just, he quotes him verbatim, that, that doesn't help the comparison.

[00:09:53]Rick McKeeThat's a great illustration by Dave, by the way. It's not his typical style. It's a little bit more serious. It

[00:09:59]Daryl Cagleis. Joe Heller. You knew we'd get one of the Scream. Here's Ed Wexler.

[00:10:05]Rick McKeeYeah, that kind of captures it, sums it up, doesn't it? Again, for half of America. but I think, I happen to agree with Ed.

[00:10:11]Hajo de ReijgerDo you remember the, this great cartoon of eight years ago when he was first elected president? It was then the Statue of Liberty waking up and then Trump was lying behind her in bed and saying, good morning.

[00:10:23]Hajo de ReijgerYou can just use it again.

[00:10:27]Daryl CagleA lot of these anger cartoons, they don't need any reference or explanation of the news.

[00:10:32]Daryl CagleHere's Dave Walmond again. She's gone to the loss department. She'd lost her faith in humanity.

[00:10:38]Rick McKeeI'm scared.

[00:10:39]Hajo de ReijgerA lot of anger and disbelief. Yeah. Not many real jokes.

[00:10:42]Daryl CagleNothing you have to explain, because this is all we're thinking about.

[00:10:46]Hajo de ReijgerYeah. Yeah.

[00:10:46]Daryl CagleThis is Joep Bertrams.

[00:10:48]Rick McKeeWow. Look at that.

[00:10:49]Daryl CagleYour Holland colleague.

[00:10:50]Hajo de ReijgerYes.

[00:10:51]Hajo de ReijgerWhat is that? Okay. Okay. Let's stop for just a minute. That's quite an image.. He looks kind of like a

[00:10:57]Hajo de ReijgerYou know, you talk about those Garrison cartoons, he's got the huge muscles like the, wrestling guys, and I drew him with huge muscles in 2016.

[00:11:06]Hajo de Reijgerand this I guess is just a variation on that.

[00:11:09]Rick McKeeOkay, because he looks kind of like the character from Dune, you know, the really, I can't remember, Baron Harkonnen, and I'm just wondering Where the resurrection ties in I guess he's just you know showing him triumphantly returning, but he's just he's so grotesque I

[00:11:25]Daryl Caglethink He's so imposing

[00:11:27]Rick McKeeyeah,

[00:11:28]Daryl Caglethis is from Taylor Jones, he's got the birds flying and One bird says gonna miss you guys. I can't wait until we meet up again and another one says who says we're coming back There is all of this interest in, uh, moving out of the country now.

[00:11:43]Daryl CagleThis is

[00:11:44]Hajo de Reijgerreally,

[00:11:44]Daryl CagleI thought this was funny, this is from, Terry Mosher, Aislin, in Montreal. And he shows his modest Canadian home with an extension for all his friends who want to live with us. Moving to Canada.

[00:11:57]Rick McKeeI just saw a bunch of people inquiring about, moving to Canada, moving to New Zealand.

[00:12:02]Rick McKeeLike the percentages on Google are up like 1600 percent over our last year, you know, Google searches and inquiries, At embassies and things like that. The immigration office.

[00:12:12]Daryl CagleIs this all they're talking about in Holland, Hajo?

[00:12:15]Hajo de ReijgerIt is, yes. maybe less than, last time it's not really an American situation anymore.

[00:12:21]Hajo de ReijgerIt's also a danger to Europe. Because, If he, if he decides to, to ban NATO, to move out NATO, it's, it's going to be quite a problem. Then we're, you know, as Europe, not, not strong anymore.

[00:12:33]Daryl CagleWell, it's not just, NATO. He's, uh, he's focused on China, but he is equally focused on tariffs on Europe, talks about Europe eating our lunch

[00:12:42]Hajo de ReijgerI don't know for the whole trade.

[00:12:43]Hajo de Reijgerwe don't know what to expect, we can imagine, for instance, that Putin, can do whatever he wants, you know, he can just push through to Poland or whatever there's no one to call him back.

[00:12:53]Rick McKeeThe whole world is in danger, there's no doubt.

[00:12:58]Daryl CagleI guess this is, imposing news for all of the world.

[00:13:01]Daryl CagleThis is Steve Nease.

[00:13:03]Rick McKeeYeah,

[00:13:03]Daryl Caglethat's great. Jimmy Margulies drew the only RFK Jr. cartoon. and I feel like this is one of the biggest horrible things that has happened. RFK Jr., if you took RFK Jr. out of the equation, Trump would be, uh, 20 percent better.

[00:13:18]Rick McKeeYou think?

[00:13:19]Rick McKeethere's no doubt. I was having this debate with somebody yesterday and they were saying he would never get confirmation in the Senate. And, I said, you know, some of these, Informal advisors are the worst ones. You know that they don't have to get confirmation. And, you know, if he makes them health care czar or something like that doesn't have to have confirmation.

[00:13:34]Rick McKeeAnd who, who will the giant influence?

[00:13:37]Daryl CagleWe were just talking about Putin. Why is this man smiling? John Darkow draws. we've gotten remarkably few cartoons about Putin. I don't think we have, except for this, not a single thing about Ukraine.

[00:13:50]Rick McKeethrew some of those little references in that initial cartoon.

[00:13:54]Rick McKeeI tried to lump everybody in.

[00:13:58]Hajo de ReijgerYeah, you did. Everyone was there. It was a nice cartoon, yeah. What about Musk? Did you receive lots of cartoons about Musk?

[00:14:07]Daryl CagleEarlier I did a podcast on Musk. We had enough for a whole podcast on Musk Here's Bill Day drawing climate change is real boom. So is Donald Trump with a big crater in the earth this was the only cartoon about climate change and this is a big major Trump thing he's gonna drill as much oil as he possibly can and he's gonna drop all the climate change treaties

[00:14:30]Rick McKeeYou know, I think in a situation like this, when you have a news event happen like this, it's so huge and has so many impacts.

[00:14:37]Rick McKeeI know for myself, you just, you go, where do you begin? You know, where do you begin? And you can't draw everything at once. And so I think cartoonists are trying to show that initial reaction best way they can to sum it up. And then they have like, that's what I said on my Facebook. I said, Whoa, a giant shipment of, uh, cartoon material just arrived.

[00:14:55]Rick McKeeAnd sort of have to pick and choose. Where you want to start and, um, just go down the list, you know, and I think we'll see, more things about all these various issues, Putin and Ukraine and climate change and the world and RFK. I think, everybody's just a little bit stunned still.

[00:15:12]Daryl Cagleevery issue through the lens of Trump. This is Andy Singer, and this was the only impact on the Middle East cartoon that has come to us since the election. He draws AIPAC, the Jewish lobby, and Netanyahu with puppets of Trump and Harris, and they are both saying, I support Israel's right to defend itself.

[00:15:34]Daryl CagleAnd Netanyahu says, we won.

[00:15:36]Daryl CagleI don't think this is one that's going to get printed either. You know, when I was giving all those speeches for the State Department around the world, I would get questions about what kind of directions I get as a cartoonist from the Jewish lobby. it was impossible for them to think that we, we are not getting our, our talking points, crazy.

[00:15:55]Hajo de ReijgerWell, crazy, but this, in Holland, we had some, um, real. Issues, uh, cartoonists that were, Israel critics, they got in trouble by, by the Israel lobby. They were sued and so on.

[00:16:07]Daryl CagleSued? How? Sued for what?

[00:16:10]Hajo de ReijgerFor, for, uh, anti Semitism, for instance. And it was dropped, but still they tried to sue, uh, for, uh, Jos Collignon, you know?

[00:16:18]Daryl CagleHe got sued for

[00:16:21]Daryl Cagleanti Semitism?

[00:16:22]Hajo de ReijgerBut they dropped it because it was, it didn't hold in court, but,

[00:16:27]Rick McKeeWe don't really have anti Semitism laws like that.

[00:16:30]Daryl CagleNo, but it's all through Europe, and, that's one of the big arguments about, free press. I don't think we could have a law like that .

[00:16:38]Daryl CagleHere is Patrick Chappatte from Switzerland. Trump says we have so much on our plate for the next four years as he's got his long list of enemies.

[00:16:46]Rick McKeeYeah, I think that's definitely true.

[00:16:48]Rick McKeeI don't think we cartoonists are high enough on his list to have to worry about things, but I do wonder if they might change You know, some first amendment laws for like TV stations and, sort of equal time stuff or, or that might apply to newspapers or, how yanking the license of some of these TV stations, you know, I could really see some of that happening.

[00:17:09]Hajo de ReijgerYeah,

[00:17:09]Daryl Caglethere's a lot of talk on the right about trying to get rid of New York Times versus Sullivan, which is what protects satire. That is scary, but I think you're right. Trump has never really, shown any interest or concern about cartoons. You remember Nixon and his enemies list. He had Paul Conrad up on the enemies list.

[00:17:27]Daryl Caglehe cared a lot about cartoons, but, uh, this guy that doesn't care about cartoons.

[00:17:31]Rick McKeeYeah,

[00:17:32]Daryl Caglethis is from Emad Hajjaj, The World of Trump.

[00:17:35]Rick McKeeYeah, that pretty much sums it up.

[00:17:36]Rick McKeeThis is a kind of a crazy one from Emad's brother, Osama, with Trump as the Roman emperor and liberty has slain the Democrats and Kamala I don't know what to think of that.

[00:17:48]Hajo de ReijgerNo.

[00:17:49]Rick McKeeYeah, I think, I think maybe he doesn't understand the concept of liberty. As as our symbol, I'm not saying he doesn't understand liberty. I mean her as our symbol

[00:17:59]Hajo de ReijgerMaybe it's about democracy, right? And then the right to vote and the way of voting and then

[00:18:04]Rick McKeethat would make more sense Yeah,

[00:18:05]Daryl Cagleyeah, here's from Aaron Van Dam. This was the only cartoon we got about the threat to the EU. There was nothing about NATO. I kind of expected that from the European cartoonists.

[00:18:15]Hajo de ReijgerYeah.

[00:18:16]Daryl CagleInteresting. We didn't get it.

[00:18:17]Hajo de Reijgerwe'll come later. It's not clear what, what the impact is, so we still have to kind of look for angles to, specialize it. All the troubles we're in.

[00:18:26]Rick McKeeYeah. It's coming. I think it's coming.

[00:18:27]Hajo de ReijgerYeah.

[00:18:27]Daryl CagleThis is from Bart Van Lewen. I thought this was cute.

[00:18:30]Rick McKeeYeah. He's the cartoonist that uses AI, right?

[00:18:33]Daryl CagleYes, he does use AI.

[00:18:34]Hajo de ReijgerOh, yeah,

[00:18:35]Rick McKeei'm just i'm a little bit because I play with AI. I don't use it in my work But um, he's able to get a really consistent style out of out of it I'm, not sure how he's doing it.

[00:18:44]Daryl CagleWell, his style looked very much like this before

[00:18:47]Hajo de ReijgerYeah, I think it's Photoshop. It's he's using Photoshop Not AI so much, I think.

[00:18:52]Daryl CagleWell, he told me that he does the faces, as he always did, and he does AI for almost everything else.

[00:18:59]Hajo de ReijgerAh, okay. Yeah.

[00:19:01]Daryl CagleHe tells you that on our podcast that you should have listened to.

[00:19:04]Hajo de ReijgerOf course.

[00:19:05]Rick McKeeWe knew him good. Yes, he did. I think we were We were all a little quiet.

[00:19:13]Daryl CagleSo here's a Bill Day, view of the White House. big sign that says, well, it's all about me again. And inside they're saying, what? Sorry, Joe Trump's workmen arrived early today. Put up the big sign.

[00:19:25]Daryl CagleHere's another one that's basically the same from Adam Zyglis.

[00:19:28]Rick McKeeI thought that was great. When I saw that, I was like, yeah,

[00:19:30]Daryl Caglethat's very clever. It is. It's got America.

[00:19:33]Rick McKeeYeah, that was another one of those. Why didn't I think of that one?

[00:19:35]Daryl CagleYeah. Very nice.

[00:19:36]Rick McKeeCurse you, Adam Zyglis.

[00:19:37]Rick McKeeHere's Monty Wolverton. Trump says, I think government will be my loyalty machine. Isn't it beautiful? I think Monty just wanted to draw this.

[00:19:47]Hajo de ReijgerI think so. Yeah.

[00:19:51]Hajo de ReijgerHere is Pat Byrnes, and, Uncle Sam is washing his hands, and in the mirror, the mirror says, You had ten years to understand the consequences of this choice. You can never wash your hands of it.

[00:20:02]Hajo de ReijgerWhat do you think of that?

[00:20:03]Hajo de ReijgerNice watercolor.

[00:20:04]Rick McKeeYeah, it's a nice, it's a little heavy handed, I'm not, you know, I mean, uh, That's right. I don't disagree with the sentiment of it at all. he's certainly, he's certainly right.

[00:20:12]Daryl CagleWe're all so bitter. This is one that I did, kicking out the pollsters.

[00:20:16]Rick McKeeI was going to say, That's been one of the ones I've been toying with doing is a pollster cartoon. Have you gotten many of those? Cause that's great. And that really,

[00:20:23]Daryl Cagleno, this was the only one. And the pollsters were so wrong.

[00:20:28]Daryl CagleThat's the story, isn't it? Isn't that the story of this election?

[00:20:31]Hajo de ReijgerYeah.

[00:20:32]Daryl Caglesuch a large percentage of the news over the last Two years, three years has been what are the polls saying today? And they just talk endlessly about it and it has all been wrong. All

[00:20:45]Daryl Cagleof it.

[00:20:46]Hajo de ReijgerYeah, they were that they knew that that Trump was already ahead, right?

[00:20:51]Rick McKeeNo,

[00:20:51]Hajo de Reijgera bit.

[00:20:51]Rick McKeeNo, no, they were calling. I mean, they were saying it was a coin flip, but they had her.

[00:20:57]Daryl CagleThey had her marginally ahead up until the last, when they said it was too close to call

[00:21:03]Rick McKeeand then they didn't, they certainly weren't calling for this landslide that happened.

[00:21:08]Hajo de ReijgerNo big difference.

[00:21:09]Rick McKeeIt was a huge, well, I mean, the pollsters and the media totally blew it totally.

[00:21:15]Daryl CagleEven in the details, there's all this talk about all the different minority groups Always going with the Democrats and they didn't contradict any of that. They didn't see the minority groups moving over to Trump

[00:21:27]Rick McKeethey missed everything

[00:21:29]Daryl Caglethat that's fascinating and you know that calls into question I think the whole notion of what the democrats define themselves as if the minorities are all with the Republicans, what are the Democrats, what do they have left?

[00:21:41]Daryl CagleWho are they?

[00:21:43]Rick McKeeYeah, it's going to take some real soul searching, and, I think if they move farther left, they can kiss these elections goodbye. I think they're going to have to moderate some and come back towards the center if they ever want to hold office again. And there's one caveat, which is Also possibility, which is Trump in this crowd could destroy things so badly that the pendulum will just swing back.

[00:22:04]Daryl Cagleyou would vote for the Democrats only because you're voting against the Republicans,

[00:22:08]Rick McKeeright? In the future. Yes. Possibly that could, that could happen. I, I don't know, you know, who, who, I don't, my crystal ball is broken right now. So

[00:22:16]Hajo de Reijgerare there many people, uh, was it, many people voting this year? Yeah.

[00:22:20]Hajo de ReijgerMore than other, other elections.

[00:22:22]Rick McKeeWell, I don't know. They're saying, you know, they're talking about this 20 million figure that Biden got that did not show up for Harris and everybody's trying to figure out who they were and where that went. Do you have any ideas about that?

[00:22:34]Daryl Caglewhere else would more support from, for Trump come from, comes from people who didn't vote for him before.

[00:22:40]Rick McKeeYeah. I, yeah, maybe that's where they went. I'll have to revisit that. I have a hard time believing that's where they went though.

[00:22:46]Rick McKeeI can't, maybe, I don't know. They had to go somewhere, I

[00:22:49]Daryl Cagleguess.

[00:22:50]Hajo de ReijgerI think it's, uh, well, like we said before, it's still hard to, to grasp this whole situation.

[00:22:56]Hajo de ReijgerAnd we see a lot of anger in the cartoons, and a lot of frustration and despair. Not real jokes yet. Not real good laughing jokes, but we still have to see what's what's coming our way to what this implies.

[00:23:09]Daryl CagleWell, very large percentage of the country is very happy right now.

[00:23:13]Rick McKeeYeah.

[00:23:15]Daryl CagleRepublicans are gleeful. Fox News is a ongoing celebration. we're not seeing. A trace of that in the cartoon. It's not a trace. That's odd.

[00:23:24]Hajo de ReijgerBut I'm a bit happy because, I've seen the background with Rick. He has a toilet roll of Trump

[00:23:30]Daryl Cagleoh! Steve Sack!

[00:23:31]Rick McKeeI have my Steve Sack, uh This will never happen, but I have it.

[00:23:37]Rick McKeeI have Trump in jail, so at least I've got that. Isn't that a wonderful thing? By the brilliant Steve Sack.

[00:23:43]Daryl CagleSteve is doing sculptures now on his computer and his 3D printer. And, It's just a wonderful thing. So gentlemen, that is the end. Any last comments?

[00:23:53]Rick McKeeI think we gotta, I think we're going to keep our sense of humor. You know, I think it's up to us to try to, um, try to sort of be a beacon.

[00:23:59]Rick McKeeand, uh, we can make our points and. Stay funny and um, try to stay positive and don't let this ruin our lives if we can help it

[00:24:06]Hajo de ReijgerExactly. I think you said it very well. We have to make lots of stuff and then that is what makes us happy, right? Yeah

[00:24:13]Daryl CagleOkay, gentlemen, uh, thank you so much. You were both great Remember to subscribe to the Caglecast wherever you're watching or listening today Our Caglecast is available in both video and audio versions So if you don't see the cartoons Go to Cagle.Com or Apple Podcasts or Rumble or YouTube or Spotify or caglecast.Com to see the cartoons in the video podcast and please subscribe. Subscribe on YouTube. We appreciate that. Go to Cagle.com/subscribe and subscribe to our free daily cartoon email newsletter, which is really very cool and very, Exciting stuff to see and, gentlemen, thank you again. Thank you. So long.